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Gypsy Tears? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.138.247.2 (talk) 06:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Is there really supposed to be a schwa after the first vowel in the pronunciation? I know it's properly sourced by dictionary.com, but I can't seem to hear any dipthong when pronouncing a word like "durian".

Peter ^Isotalo 06:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I just checked Merriam-Webster and they give a very different IPA. I suppose MW is more reliable than dictionary.com. What do you think? --BorgQueen (talk) 07:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand IPA but I've made Image:Durian-pronounciation.ogg. The first pronunciation is similar to that used in Malay but is also used in English at least in Malaysia and Singapore. The second one is also used (in English) and is probably easier for an English speaker to pronounce. Obviously this is OR but it may help in deciding which of the reliable sources is likely to be better. Nil Einne (talk) 09:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Collins lists it as [ˈdjʊəriən] and I must admit that's closer to what I've most commonly heard from Southeast Asians saying tha name and English speakers here in the UK. Well, except for those who favour a prononciation closer to the Malay/Indonesian name. Akerbeltz (talk) 13:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Merriam-Webster don't supply IPA. They have a different set of pronunciation symbols. In fact, there are guidelines for converting their symbols to IPA in [1]. So MWs pronunciation for "Durian" is equivalent to our IPA: [ˈdʊəriən, -ɑn]. We might consider adding Collins' IPA: [ˈdjʊəriən] as many English native speakers pronounce it like this. The word "Durian" sounds different to this in all Asian languages anyway, e.g. Lao IPA: [tʰua.lían]; Thai IPA: [tʰúː.riːan]; Chinese IPA: [líu.lían] (not sure about Chinese. See [2]). AchromatReader (talk) 23:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I've been comparing the different pronunciation guides, and I must say that I'm skeptical to dictionary.com's choice of transcription. For some reason they've decided that most words that begin with "dur-" have a schwa between the the vowel and the /r/, but I don't quite understand why. M-W describes to different /u/-like sounds, but there's no description of a schwa in there, and I can't hear anything like it in their pronunciation files. Based on that I think it's better to remove the schwa and switch to M-W as a pronunciation reference.

Peter ^Isotalo 11:13, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

South Africa

The fruit is grown in South Africa (I saw Durian trees growing in Durban) and is known as jackfruit. It is used in curries.--Totorotroll (talk) 09:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Please see jackfruit. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

(EC) Are you sure? The jackfruit looks vaguely similar, but is quite a different fruit Nil Einne (talk) 09:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Alas, the delectable durian is not grown in Durban (or anywhere else in South Africa that I know of). The jackfruit is distinct, as EC says, though similar in outward shape; it is a starchy vegetable usually served boiled or fried. Marius —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.213.118.93 (talk) 08:55, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Smell sample

How can this be a featured article without some smell samples?!? I'm kidding, of course. Nice work. --Bardin (talk) 10:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I guess we should create some *.snf files for your nose... :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 10:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

There's something wrong in the Front Page

There is that processing error. Maybe they should do a bit more Math. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyuzoaoi (talk • contribs) 10:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I just converted them manually without using the {{convert}} template. It should be fine now. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

3,5-dimethyl-1,2,4-trithiolane

Should it be mentioned that one of the sudies with a GC-MS and olfactoric-GC showed that 3,5-dimethyl-1,2,4-trithiolane is the biggest contributor to the smell of Durian?--Stone (talk) 11:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC) Ref would be doi:10.1021/jf960191i--Stone (talk) 11:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Hydrogen sulfide

However, no hydrogen disulfide volatile was detected in the ripe samples used in this study, even though headspace sampling was used. from a 2007 publication doi:10.1016/j.jfca.2006.04.011 renders the picture of H₂S usles for the durian article.--Stone (talk) 11:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome to insert the info along with the reference (proper formatting please) but I think I read somewhere in my references that hydrogen sulfide is an important factor. I will dig it up later when I have time. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

• Näf 1996 states nothing about hydrogen sulfide
• Wong 1995 Also, neither hydrogen sulphide, identified in both previous studies,.., was detected in the present work.
• Moser 1980 proof was obtained that the mature arillus releases hydrogen sulfide.
• Baldry 1972 Hydrogen sulphide .. were also identified in condensed headspace vapours by mass spectrometry.--Stone (talk) 13:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Durian flavour quote

I found a good quote about durians, including a description of the flavour, but hesitate to add it to a featured article. I think it's interesting as most of the quotes in the article are to do with the smell rather than the taste of the fruit. It is by Ernest Darch, who was in the RAF and was held in various Japanese POW camps in Java, Malaya and Borneo in WW2.

Most disgusting of all was the rush [by starving POWs] for the durian nuts [discarded by the Japanese guards]. Of all the fruits in the world, the durian is surely one of the most delicious. Growing on high trees, about the size of a melon, it contains within its tough prickly exterior, kernels the size of chestnuts, surrounded by a soft, sticky, whitish substance. It is this latter substance that possesses the truly wonderful, but indescribable taste, approaching nearest to a concoction of banana and sweetened condensed milk with a haunting flavour that might be onions but which is not. The drawback of the durian is its smell, not only existing in the fruit but residual - stronger by far than pickled onions - so that Europeans never eat them normally, except when out of contact with their countrymen or at special durian parties. The natives believe them to harbour aphrodisiac properties. Perhaps that is why the Japanese ate them. .... However, they enjoyed the fruit. Having sucked away the sticky flesh, they spat out the nuts. Thereupon a few men, mainly the garbage fiends, [the men who scavenged for food on rubbish heaps] would scramble for them. Sometimes they even transferred the nuts straight to their own mouths .... always the nuts were, for ultimate consumption, later baked over a fire. (Darch 2000, 155)

The quote comes from Darch, Ernest G. (Airman) (2000) Survival in Japanese POW Camps with Changkol and Basket London: Minerva Press. Jasper33 (talk) 12:00, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that we already have plenty of quotes in the section, and it should not become a list. Can you add here instead? --BorgQueen (talk) 12:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, will do. Thanks Jasper33 (talk) 12:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Durian a featured article?

The article's of good quality but Durian was classified in the wrong family--It's Bombacaceae instead of Malvaceae. Drakesketchit (talk) 15:45, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your correction and please forgive us. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:55, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, by recent work, Durian is either in Malvaceae or Durionaceae. The Durians and their allies turn out to more closely related to Helicteres than to Bombax. Much recent work (e.g. APG) recognises an expanded family Malvaceae, in which the Durians are placed in subfamily Helicteroideae. Martin Cheek, in the new edition of Heywood et al, splits the expanded Malvaceae (Cronquist's Malvaceae, Bombacaceae, Sterculiaceae and Tiliaceae) into 10 families, one of which is Durionaceae. Lavateraguy (talk) 11:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Tempoyak and Durian

Durian and tempoyak have similarity, but they are not absolutely same!

Relly Komaruzaman Talk 13:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)