Talk:Dyfnwal ab Owain

Dunmail, last king of Cumbria

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The result was not to merge into Dunmail. -- Mackem a1 13:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I'd merge the two for several reasons: - 1) Dunmail is as much a figure from legend as from history; and 2) There's no concrete evidence that the two are the same figure - and, indeed, the dates don't match. It may well be that a historical Dunmail was someone who made a grab for power in Cumbria, such usurpation serving as a pretext for Edmund's invasion. Theelf29 01:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the above, and would not merge the articles. Dunmail is a figure of local legend who may or may not have a basis in historical fact. It may be that Domnall III is the historical basis for Dumnail, however this is conjectural. Unless and until a firm identification can be made between Dumnail and a historical figure, Domnall III or otherwise, then I would suggest that a separate entry for the Dumnail legend should remain.

Mackem a1 09:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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Dyfnwal?

Why has his name, which is recorded in Gaelic or as Dunguallon, been translated into modern Welsh for this article? Paul S (talk) 12:20, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Probably because that's the form used in at least one of the primary sources, MacQuarrie's The Kings of Strathclyde.Cúchullain ^t/c 14:22, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

When you say "Primary source" you don't mean to imply that Mr MacQuarrie was alive in the 10th Century...? Paul S (talk) 16:44, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Of course not. I mean it's one of the main sources used in the article.Cúchullain ^t/c 22:33, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

The reason I ask is because all the other rulers of this region of this name are given the Old Welsh/Cumbric form Dumnagual whereas this one's name has the modern Welsh Dyfnwal. It seems sort of inconsistent. Paul S (talk) 21:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)