Talk:Dynamo Dresden

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User:Wiggy! deletes the Sportvereinigung Dynamo from the section Uncertainty and Succes.

I suppose you could call this a content dispute. You should discuss here on the talk page to see if consensus can be found. You might like to invite Wiggy! to this talk page to discuss the problem. Wikipedia:Resolving disputes has other ideas about resolving disputes.--Commander Keane 21:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

This has been a long-running bit of business in which Kay (under three or four different identities now) has been pushing a pro-East Germany/Dynamo POV in which he attempts to agrandize his club(s) articles and anything even peripherally related. This editor has ignored all civil attempts to work the issue out. He's cursed me, edit-stalked me, been blocked more than once, ignored polite advice (from me and others), ip edited to evade blocks - you name it. His work is straight POV and of generally poor quality. I seriously doubt that opening a formal dispute will garner him much support, and given his ignoring the outcome of similar processes that didn't go his way, it would be just too ironic. You can help yourself, Kay, by shelving your POV and sticking to good quality edits instead of plastering everything in sight as Dynamo. Wiggy! 21:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

{{helpme}} User Wiggy deletes constantly the SV Dynamo out from section uncertainty and success. It is the grounding association of the Dynamo Dresden!--Kay Körner 20:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Your edit history (under multiple user names) is clearly POV. The sentence you are adding is in poorly written English. The link you are adding is to an irrelevant and poorly written/organized article built around your POV and does not add anything useful to the Dynamo Dresden article. I have always left your good quality edits alone, except to copy edit them for English where necessary. I have copy edited (in good faith) several of your articles to make them more readable. I have also always challenged your POV - which has gotten wildly out of hand on more than one occasion - and I will continue to do so. I notice a number of other editors have also done so. The world - and Wikipedia - does not revolve around Dynamo or the former East Germany. Wiggy! 20:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk out the conflict here, or list the problem at WP:ANI. Miranda 20:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

This user has ignored previous attempts (in both English and German) to manage this and related issues under multiple identities over the course of months. He refuses to rein in his POV to the point, for example, that he linked his pet club to the article oak trees because of the oak laurels on the club logo. He's capable of good edits and has made some decent contributions, but it is inappropriate to plaster Dynamo on everything like some sort of gang tag. Wiggy! 21:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit war

This has descended into a ridiculous edit war that's been going on for weeks, and you (Kay and Wiggy) both seem to be as bad as each other. A mention of the club's affiliation to SV Dynamo should be mentioned, as it is relevant, but the commonscat is not appropriate, nor is the youtube link. ArtVandelay13 12:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, however the SV page is little more than reams of ill-translated communist themed propaganda and a sheaf of improperly sourced uninformative images. The recent edits there have added some useful stuff, but its still pretty much a wretched article that is the pet of an editor with a demonstrated POV and disruptive editing style. There's some interesting things to say about Dynamo and the other East German workers sports clubs that arose in the mid-60s. It isn't being said. Not even close. The article is just a dumping ground of useless lists and other flotsam that doesn't approach any recognized standard as an article and I don't see anybody stepping up to improve the thing.

And before you compare me to Kay you need to follow his record around a bit. Somebody needs to stand up to his idiocy - I for one am not inclined to translate that bit of German text he added to the SV talk page on the expectation that he can just tack it on to the article, or sit back and simply watch while he makes some other sort of mess (which he's done repeatedly). He needs to show some repsect for other editors and for what Wikipedia is about. I'm out there making and improving articles, not pushing any POV or duking it out with other folks. Wiggy! 13:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

All of this may be true, but none of it's particularly relevant to Dynamo Dresden, and the resulting edit war is having an adverse effect on the page. Any problems on the SVD page need to be taken up on that page; a wikilink to an article is based on relevance, not the quality of the article, and SV Dynamo remain relevant to SGD. ArtVandelay13 17:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

You are missing the point that the editor in question absolutely refuses on any level, and in a much broader context, to conduct himself in a responsible fashion by building informative non-POV articles. So, that aside, I'll concede the point related to wikilink and keep an eye and see what develops. And hope that somebody is able to turn the SV article in something other than dreck. Thanks for the dose of sobriety. Wiggy! 18:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

If the commonscat (relation too tenuous) and the youtube link (copyright nightmare) persist then it needs to be taken to a higher authority, rather than going back and forth like this. ArtVandelay13 20:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. But that'll just be more of the same crap that I have been trying to manage for months. I have girded/resigned myself to it as my expectations with respect to this guy are not particularly high. Thanks for your help in any case. Wiggy! 20:47, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's begun. Here and on other pages. Wiggy! 18:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, this definitely needs an administrator to intervene. ArtVandelay13 17:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

FYI Kay has been blocked from editing (in all his various incarnations) for his abusive approach and sockpuppetry both here and at de:Wikipedia for about a week now. Wiggy! 23:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

SG Dynamo Dresden is a MFS ("Stasi")-Club!

Like the players, trainers and the chairmen of this club in the era of the GDR!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.76.178.207 (talk) 09:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

is´t bullshit -> SG Dynamo Dresden as a Police (Volkspolizei ) club was part of SV Dynamo. 217.235.1.120 (talk) 17:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Not just football

This club also played rugby for a while and other sports. Most Dynamo clubs were multi-sport.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:17, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Antisemitism of DD fans

"This club hosting the most known local anti Semites for many years. The "S.G.D." have a match so often the call "guest team Jew! Jew! Jew!" can be heard, because guests coming with trains and buses. Even disquisitions would have been written about this matter, after fan riots. Often Dynamo-fans mocking about the jewish on the streets of Dresden while the club playing at the city center near the historical part of Dresden"

This section contains only a subjective impression, that possibly by exaggerated press articles developed or perhaps by hearsay. Fact is that it problems with anti Semiti slogans gave, this group however a minority was and is. This section represents the football club as something, which it is not and was never. This section lacks any facts.194.127.5.247 (talk) 11:05, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I checked out the reference added by User:141.76.179.94. One links to a library cataloge, and the Dissertation it mentions itself unaccesible to me. The other is a youtube video. The video is disturbing, I have to say, but mentions Dynamo Dresden only twice in passing. Once the club is actually insulted by Energie Cottbus fans as "Juden" (Jews) through a banner. The other is Dynamo fans calling Erzgebirge Aue fans Juden, also the Dynamo fans are not as such recognisable in the video. The video is from early 2006. I don't think, it is strong enough evidence to accuse the club of antisemitism as a whole. A more reliable source or sources would be needed for this. The club itself does have a fan project which is aimed at countering rasism and extremists, see here. If a section on antisemitism within Dynamo Dresden is added to the article it needs to be a: better written, and b: reliably sourced, in my opinion. Calistemon (talk) 13:02, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

==> this part should be mentioned in the page ! It is a well known fact and I do not understand why you are classifying this as a subjective impression. Even very recentely (22-11-2015) the fans showed they true nature by disturbing the minute of silence for the terroristic attacks in Paris.

Stadion name changed

but i can´t change the name at the ref list. anybody? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.189.152.203 (talk) 20:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

FSV Zwickau

Deleted FSV Zwickau from list of rival clubs. They are actually friends of Dynamo. --Klotzher (talk) 06:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Fans and Club

• The article Ultras Dynamo has been moved to Supporters by voting on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ultras Dynamo. He is melted into.
• The fans of Dynamo Dresden getting more attention than the players or the club. Therefore it is no wonder that you are seeing here more about fans. The next is that you are having often edits with little new parts here. For me it is not a problem to write more.
• Please work on the matter peaceful fans and more on history, with interesting and objective with sources. Do not use happy state society phrases. --Conformuser (talk) 13:47, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
• You can not understand the club without fan matters.--Conformuser (talk) 13:56, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

You misunderstand, the decision of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ultras Dynamo was not merge, it was redirect. The content of the redirected Ultras Dynamo is excessivly long and in poor English. This is the Dynamo Dresden club article, not a fan club tribute page. Calistemon (talk) 15:25, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Category:Ultras groups --Conformuser (talk) 11:29, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

User:Conformuser/Ultras Dynamo The regular article before the discrimination. --Conformuser (talk) 11:34, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Ultras Dynamo is being censored in all internet archives in NATO areas. You may not write about interesting groups of anonymous persons which got reflected by professional news agencies and state institutions, due centuries of propaganda, ultra fan inventions (completely smoked stadiums, completely torched stadiums, ultra horror movies, changed practice grounds to cemeteries, huge counts of hurted and captured persons, completely destroyed guest blocks, completely destroyed trains, masses of peaceful ultras, leftwing extremists and rightwing extremists) and the club has the biggest fan potential in Middle-Eastern Europe. The section Ultras Dynamo shows interesting and unique behaviors of social groups in middle European and pagan areas. --Conformuser (talk) 11:54, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

• The next is that User:Calistemon comes from an Oriental church area and is only interested in Westgerman soccer clubs(https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Beitr%C3%A4ge/Calistemon) from his area and prefers his ideal social groups and here he is discriminating and observing as probably German tax money agent private persons. He is even alleging crimes. He observes Eastgermans daily for hours during weeks. He is continuing his own Cold war (from West against groups of formerly Eastern Block countries, within of suggestions against the UN-Conventions. --Conformuser (talk) 12:44, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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