Talk:EDSA III

What's the problem?

So what's the problem? --Noypi380 09:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

What problem? NPOV? I have't read it much but I have another problem: how should we name this article? --Howard the Duck 13:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

EDSA III was the name that stuck, since the protesters gathered in EDSA first. --Noypi380 02:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I thought 2001 Malacanang siege or something. The title doesn't describe anything. --Howard the Duck 11:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Move then? Noypi380 12:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Lets agree first on what name we should use. How about "2001 EDSA Revolution (April)"? (We would have to move the current 2001 EDSA Revolution into 2001 EDSA Revolution (January). --Howard the Duck 07:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

More PC Terms Please

"...most of whom were members of the masses..."

And by that the author means what, exactly? You have to understand that the Filipino word "masa" is used in an entirely different context and that by simply translating it one-to-one into its English equivalent would not mean the same thing. I believe there could be a more appropriate way to to describe the group of people being identified in this particular phrase.

EDSA III?

Since this one didn't work out, the "EDSA III" name is now disputed. How about 2007 Malacanang siege? But that would pertain to the night of April 30-May 1 exclusively, leaving out events on the earlier days. Any suggestions? --Howard the Duck 08:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe just indicate that the 'name' of the event is currently disputed with a list of names that it's been called so people can search for it. The important thing is that they can find it, right? I live in the Philippines, and I hear the term "EDSA 3/III" most often but I'm not sure what else is used. mentat 1:56, 02 August 2007 (+8 GMT)

The term "EDSA III" can be used for lack of a better name (in terms of popularity and media exposure). The event was neither in the same spirit nor in the same level of success compared to the true "EDSA" events: EDSA I and EDSA II. I suggest that "EDSA III" be entered as a section under the EDSA II article.--Mendz 13:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

But a very large protest rally deserves an article of its own. There's no way for this to be merged to the EDSA II article. Also, nobody calls EDSA II as "EDSA Revolution of 2001", but I can't think of any replacement name. (Same for "EDSA Revolution of 1986") It was previously at EDSA Dos but it didn't provide enough description on what the article is about.

Ergo, I propose to rename these articles:

• 1986 EDSA Revolution: to People Power Revolution
• EDSA Revolution of 2001: to EDSA Dos
• EDSA Tres remains here.

--Howard the Duck 04:10, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

All three names look good. People Power Revolution is an official name for the event and its annual celebration. EDSA Dos and "EDSA Tres" seems fitting as popularized by the media at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by E mendz (talk • contribs) 08:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Further more, "EDSA Revolution" will be a dab page or a discussion of the concept. I'll try to sort this out... --Howard the Duck 10:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Huh? I keep on referring to the first one as simply EDSA Revolution. I don't agree with making that term a sort of dab page. --seav 13:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, all of them are "EDSA Revolutions". Now EDSA Revolution redirects to 1986 EDSA Revolution, since the first one was "the" EDSA Revolution, although some may argue due to recentrism that the second one may have the same importance and/or impact than the first one. However, the second one was never referred to as "People Power Revolution," only 1986 has that distinction. EDSA Tres doesn't really have other names other than that, while EDSA Dos was more popularly known by that name. Ergo, EDSA Revolution may either by a dab page, a discussion of the principles of the three EDSAs or can be redirect (most likely for 1986).

Now for EDSA Revolution of 2001, there are 2 events that can claim to be "the" "EDSA Revolution of 2001]]. So either it becomes a dab page to point to the two articles, a redirect to the EDSA Revolution article about the principles/dab page; it cannot be a discussion of one event, the current article discussed on that page should be moved to EDSA Dos or any other article name, as long it's not "EDSA Revolution of 2001". As for EDSA Tres, just leave it there. --Howard the Duck 14:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

According to Google: (searched within quotation marks)

• "EDSA II" - 22,000
• "EDSA DOS" - 17,700
• "EDSA 2"- 28,200
• "EDSA TWO" - 145
• "EDSA III" - 1,810
• "EDSA Tres" - 573
• "EDSA 3" - 12,800
• "EDSA Three" - 54
• "EDSA Revolution of 2001" - 10

The most used are EDSA 2 and EDSA 3, but perhaps this is due to bloggers too lazy to type the word out. But I have noticed that people usually pronounce 2 as two and 3 as tres. Even scholarly articles refer to them as EDSA 2 and EDSA Tres (e.g., Ateneo's Kritika Kultura), perhaps to subtly indicate that 2 was a gathering (don't you think "revolution" is a bit pretentious?) of the English-speaking educated Manilenyo middle class and Tres was a gathering of the Tagalog-speaking urban proletariat (hmmm... I sounded like a communist there...)--Nino Gonzales 01:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

In addition, in terms of Google search, "People Power Revolution" trumps "1986 EDSA Revolution" by a longshot. --Howard the Duck 03:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

So I guess it's final? People Power Revolution, EDSA 2 and EDSA Tres (with reference to a scholarly article). These three articles would link to a dab article called the EDSA Revolution. EDSA Revolution links out to the three articles. I hope historians would contribute to the discussion of why EDSA Tres is uniquely disputed as an official "EDSA" event (perhaps in the same manner that the Filipino language article presented its own disputes).--Mendz 07:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd still want to have a more "dignified EDSA Revolution page, rather than a dab... but it'll develop eventually. We still need an admin to do the moves though. --Howard the Duck 07:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd redirect EDSA Revolution to the 1986 EDSA Revolution (however you want to name it), since that was the EDSA revolution, in the same way Woodstock redirects to the Woodstock Festival.--Nino Gonzales 06:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

The crowd swelled to a high of 3 million?

I checked the CNN article that's listed as a reference but there's no mention of this figure. I'm thinking of removing the sentence claiming this on the 6th of February if we don't get a reference. --Edward Sandstig (talk) 11:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Removed the 3 million figure. Only thing I could find was an estimate of 100,000 to 300,000, but it was dated on the 29th of April. --Edward Sandstig (talk) 13:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

No such thing as EDSA III, yet.

EDSA I was a successful 'peaceful' revolt against President Ferdinand E. Marcos.

EDSA II was a successful 'peaceful' revolt against President Joseph E. Estrada.

Viewing things on them, there has been no EDSA III.

The so called "EDSA III" staged against President Gloria M. Arroyo was just any of several more attempts to oust or to demand for an ouster of a President that never made it. They did not have the total ingredients of the two previously successful EDSA revolts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RLTJ (talk • contribs) 02:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Move EDSA Revolution to EDSA Revolution (disambiguation)

Being bold, and hoping that I wouldn't step on anyone's toes, I tried to move EDSA Revolution to EDSA Revolution (disambiguation). There is discussion above from several years back about this page and so I post here and say please go to the talk page of EDSA Revolution to comment. --Bruce Hall (talk) 05:21, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 11 June 2015

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The result of the move request was: nomination withdrawn. Jenks24 (talk) 15:53, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

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• EDSA III → EDSA Tres
• EDSA II → Second EDSA Revolution

– The current titles are too ambigious and are easily confused with wasch other. There should be a distinct title for the the two since the results are different and naming each the same title is controversial. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 08:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

How is it too ambiguous? How is it easily confused? One is a 2 the other is a 3. Your suggested names are no different. And why not EDSA Dos ? Or EDSA 2 and EDSA 3 ? -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 05:33, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

• Speedy close No need. Found a better solution. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 13:42, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Not moved, suggested name is not WP:PRECISE. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 08:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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EDSA III → May 1 riots – Common name. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 08:06, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose May 1 2020 EDSA riots might be okay, the proposed title obviously fails WP:CRITERIA from several angles. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:22, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose there's the Memphis riots of 1866 and Portella della Ginestra massacre -- "May 1 riots" should redirect to May 1 -- 70.31.205.108 (talk) 03:27, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

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More assistance needed in improving article (finding citations)

To anyone editing here, I encourage editors to address some of the points that need improvement:

1. To supplement citations I have added (such as in the May 1 and Aftermath sections. I have only used newspapers from Philippine Daily Inquirer, but other periodicals may also help as a "second or similar say", such as Manila Standardor Manila Bulletin, and even video/audio sources, such as international news, ABS-CBN or GMA-7, and radio broadcasts.
2. I'm currently searching for sources on "As for the public figures that supported the rallies, they shied away..." paragraph in the Aftermath section. I've . A source I can also add is Inquirer's newspaper article No Erap ally accepts responsibility for Malacanang attack
3. Can't find direction for the Criticism part. I might add opinion or editorial writing in newspapers, but other better sources or approaches welcome.
4. There is still no absolute or verifiable count of the number of protesters in EDSA and the Palace storming. Would it be better to list what each group claims? (April 25-30 section)
5. No found source for President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo has acknowledged the divisive nature of the two terminologies by saying in one statement that she hoped to be the president of "EDSA II and EDSA III". I tried to check the series of "A compilation of selected presidential speeches of her excellency President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo" (2002, '04, '05, '07, '08 so far), but she only mentions EDSA 3 as "storming of Malacanang in May 1", "May 1 riots", or motivating that "The real EDSA 3" is the cooperation of Filipinos for national betterment. I haven't noted the exact speeches, but they're most likely in 2002 and 2004, and in the People Power Anniversary or Independence Day speeches.

Anyone welcome to continue my (and every editor's) progress on increasing this article's content assessment. RFNirmala (talk) 05:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)