This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourcedmust be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Scotland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Scotland and Scotland-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ScotlandWikipedia:WikiProject ScotlandTemplate:WikiProject ScotlandScotland articles
Latest comment: 3 months ago13 comments2 people in discussion
The title bought by Simoes has no actual relation to the original title, and has no notability at all[1]. There is no reason why this should be included. Fram (talk) 11:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
He was granted arms by the Lord Lyon on the basis that he holds the dignity of a feudal earl, and he has entry on Debretts' Feudal Baronies Directory and Burke's Revised Family as a feudal earl. Daniel Plumber (talk) 13:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Anyone who buys a Scottish title and applies for arms will be granted such arms. "Feudal earl" is a vanity title with no actual value, and which receives no attention outside these rather sclerotic circles listing all titles, no matter how meaningless. Fram (talk) 13:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Just trying to decide how meaningful the title is. It is (or can be) bought, so it's not as if one is a member of an old family, heir to functions, castles, ... Simoes title has no "power", it comes with nothing at all and (as far as Simoes is concerned) from nothing at all, and it hasn't been the subject of e.g. news reports. Why should we include something which affects noone or nothing, which no one cares about, and which sheds no light on the real history of the title and the family which held it at a time it had some value? Fram (talk) 14:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Not all facts should be included though. Looking at the current article[2] I see no reason to add a section about a separate, meaningless, paid-for title, even if the basic facts about that title are true. The Earl of Aboyne as described in the current article is a notable entity; the Baronage title is a non-notable enntity. Piggy-backing the non-notable current entry into an article about a historical notable title is unwarranted. Fram (talk) 14:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think we have to disagree there. What about the articles on the Lord of Balvaird and the Baron of Grougar? Until I know how these things work, I remain entitled to my view. Daniel Plumber (talk) 14:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
As it stands, I see no reason to include the current holder at Grougar. The entry is unsourced and not notable[3]. It would at the very least need verification anyway. Balvaird at least owns the castle as well, giving more meaning to the title. Fram (talk) 15:04, 31 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
