Talk:East Dean, Gloucestershire

Is this page a joke?

The information contained on this page appears to be total rubbish. I'm not sure that any of it is factually correct. Obscurasky (talk) 18:38, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorted! Obscurasky (talk) 17:40, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Does it still exist?

The article implies East Dean has no existence after 1974. Does it still exist? How would it best be described today? The article should start by telling us what it is now rather than what it was. MRSC (talk) 06:39, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

East Dean no longer exists - it was abolished in 1974, following the Local Government Act 1972. Its sister parish, West Dean, survives, but only as a civil parish.

I've reinstated the two categories you removed as they are perfectly valid and there's no reason not to include them. I don't understand why you are so keen to move this page? You obviously don't know anything about East Dean (as you wouldn't be asking if it still exists) and there's no point, or benefit, in moving it. Alun Williamson (talk) 08:19, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

There is no need to attack me. East Dean Rural District included many more civil parishes than just East Dean itself. Just because the RD was abolished does not neccasarily mean the locality does not exist. MRSC (talk) 08:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Not attacking you; just confused by your edits. It occurs to me that some readers may be confused by the term 'township'. In this instance the title was not used to refer to a specific 'town' or concentration of dwellings - it was an administrative title, used to define quite a large rural area. The area still exists, obviously, but so far as I am aware, use the term 'East Dean' is now obsolete, even colloquially. It may be helpful to mention this in the article, but I doubt that that a citation can be found for it. Alun Williamson (talk) 08:44, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

It appears it was abolished as a civil parish in 1953, being split off to seven parishes, four of which were new. This article should probably deal with the period 1844-1953 and focus on the area of the township/parish. MRSC (talk) 08:54, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Why should it "probably deal with the period 1844-1953 and focus on the area of the township/parish"? wouldn't it be better for the article to cover the whole of it's history - conception to demise? Alun Williamson (talk) 09:15, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

East Dean township/civil parish is not the same thing as East Dean Rural District, which is what this article is currently claiming. The parish was just a component of a much larger district. MRSC (talk) 09:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I can see from your extensive edits to this and the other East Dean page, that you're not just tinkering with the article, as I first supposed, and your edits are a big improvement.

You're right that East Dean township/civil parish is not the same thing as East Dean Rural District, but the East Dean township and the East Dean civil parish were not the same either. There is an historical evolution, begining with the East Dean township, that needs to be delineated in the article.Alun Williamson (talk) 09:39, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

It is best to assume good faith in the first instance. The townships became civil parishes, governed by parish councils, under the Local Government Act 1894. So there is a continuity between the two. However, there are a number of boundary reforms in the period 1883-1885 that will be worth investigating. MRSC (talk) 09:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh I never supposed your edits were not in good faith - tinkering is often done in good faith. As I said, I was confused by your initial edits - you inserted a page to be moved here template on East Dean Rural District and within 12 hours (and despite my hang on request) you had carried out the changes. And as I also said previously, I am pleased my initial impression was incorrect.Alun Williamson (talk) 20:48, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Infobox

@Crouch, Swale: Shouln't it be for East Dean not West Dean? Maundwiki (talk) 20:13, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

@Maundwiki: Fixed. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:15, 8 December 2022 (UTC)