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Notable alumni

(copied from User talk:JonRidinger#Notable alumni on east Liverpool high school page. and User talk:JonRidinger#Notable alumni)

Yes my name is Nate Boyd and I am the athletic director of east Liverpool Jr/ Sr high school and would like to know why you changed my admendment to our notable alumni?? Michael a Cunningham graduated from here in 1998 and signed a contract with the new York Yankees , he played for Columbus Clippers for 2 years before injury . So I ask please do not change it again I'm getting very tired of changing it back. This is truth and fact and needs to stay the way it is thank you. Bishop1222 (talk) 15:47, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

@Bishop1222: Hi Nate. Notable alumni lists on articles are for linking to articles on Wikipedia about people who are connected to a given school; they aren't simply lists for accomplished alumni. If the person on the list does not have an article on Wikipedia, they should not be mentioned. Creation of articles on Wikipedia is based on a person's notability, not on success or a specific accomplishment. Unfortunately, Michael Cunningham doesn't seem to have appeared in a Major League game, so seems to fail the requirements of WP:BASE/N, which states baseball players are notable if they have played in "Major League Baseball, Nippon Professional Baseball, KBO League, or have participated in a major international competition (such as the World Baseball Classic, Baseball World Cup or Olympics) as a member of a national team." All minor league players sign contracts with Major League teams, but that in itself doesn't make them notable. There could be other ways he is notable, but the place to discuss that is in trying to create an article about him. No one is disputing that he went to ELHS or played professional baseball, but he doesn't appear to meet the standards of notability, so shouldn't be on the list unless an article is created that satisfies Wikipedia's notability standard. --JonRidinger (talk) 02:40, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Then I guess we will be at it constantly you changing it me changing it back as a school system we want his name on there as he is now our high school baseball coach.i understand what your saying but he deserves to be on the page under his uncle Lou holtz. So I ask you to please leave our high school page alone it looks and says what we here at the school system want to represent Bishop1222 (talk) 14:19, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

@Bishop1222:, please be aware that this article operates under Wikipedia policies; it is not the property of your school or district. It is a Wikipedia article about your school, but you have no more authority on its content than I do as a fellow editor. That his uncle is Lou Holtz is a nice fact; that in itself does not make him notable under Wikipedia standards, which is what I and other editors operate under. Whether someone "deserves" to be mentioned is a matter of opinion. Please read the Wikipedia policy under WP:N about notability and the guidelines for school articles at WP:WPSCH/AG, especially the section on alumni at WP:ALUMNI ("alumni to be included must meet Wikipedia notability criteria"). Unfortunately, the recent edit you added appears to be a different Michael Cunningham than the one from your school, unless your current baseball coach is also a social psychologist at the University of Louisville. Please also read Wikipedia's policies regarding the "ownership" of articles at WP:OWN ("All Wikipedia content—articles, categories, templates, and other types of pages—is edited collaboratively. No one, no matter how skilled, or how high-standing in the community, has the right to act as though they are the owner of a particular page. Also, a person or an organization that is the subject of an article does not own the article, and has no right to dictate what the article may say."). I'm happy to help improve the ELHS/JHS article, but you need to be aware of the policies and guidelines the article has to function under for that effort to be most successful. --JonRidinger (talk) 14:39, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

@Bishop1222:, please also read Wikipedia's policy on conflict of interest at WP:COI, paying close attention to the section at WP:COIEDIT. You not only being, but editing as AD places you in a direct conflict of interest in regards to the article. --JonRidinger (talk) 14:43, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

JonRidinger, I highly doubt Bishop1222 is actually who he claims to be. However, I'm going to ask either Kudpung or Tedder to block his account until he verifies his identity to WP:ORTS. However, if Bishop actually is Boyd, I'm fully prepared to copy this entire conversation to the superintendent of schools. This kind of behavior from an educator, indeed a supervisory level educator, is wholly unacceptable. John from Idegon (talk) 15:37, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

There's not enough to justify a block at this stage. User has been warned for WP:OWN and COI. If the same thing continues under a new account, then it's off to SPI. I hope Bishop1222/Boyd understands the implications of that for his school. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:38, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

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