Talk:Ed Mangano

Promotional tone

This page reads like a promotional campaign website, and resume. It needs major revision. CitiCat ^♫ 15:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Concur. 151.204.184.75 (talk) 19:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Copyright donation

re:the copyright infringement problem. I work for County Executive Mangano, and the biography of him that was paraphrased was written by me. I'm perfectly alright with it being used here. What do I have to do to allow it's inclusion? The campaign website that it was posted on is not active (though I should be able to access it still). Please advise. Thank you.(Bflorio12 (talk) 18:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC))

Thank you. I have responded at your talk page with more information. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I've added the statement to the bio page on edmangano.com http://www.edmangano.com/abouted-a.php Thank you for you help Moonriddengirl (Bflorio12 (talk) 16:37, 12 November 2010 (UTC))

Dead links to press releases

There are currently 17 dead links to press releases at the defunct website http://legislatoredmangano.com . It looks like these press releases may be preserved under the Nassau County Legislature website (for example, this one), but they're no longer linked from the main press release page. They are linked from the Internet Archive snapshot of the page here, bu the URLs don't match and it's going to be difficult to match the refs to the titles. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 06:34, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Manhattan Institute for Policy Research

This article is full of data from the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, and worse claims that it is "nonpartisan". Just read the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research on wikipedia! Someone is trying to use this page as a campaign promotion! --Gary123 (talk) 15:20, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm also astonished at how many of the sources are press releases from Mr. Mangano's own office. These are not third-party sources, and their reliability is suspect. I'm going to go through and remove content that isn't supported by neutral third-party sources. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 17:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I have removed text that was sourced only to first-party press releases with this edit. Text can be added back but only if citations to reliable third-party sources are added. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 19:18, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

A helpful IP editor has added a bunch of balancing text with suitable references, and I have copyedited both the old and new material for neutrality and for whether the cited sources actually supported the text. The article looks much better now. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 21:04, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

I've added outside sources for everything you removed Antony–22. Any further problems, please let me know and I'll find more outside sources. For the record, I don't see how press releases are not a source of information. 12.148.224.88 (talk) 19:15, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Non-press release sources have been used to fix any bad citations (the press release sources are still there as well). If someone wants to erase large sections of this article, like the previous user did, then they need to state why. If there is a problem with neutrality, then lets discuss that but otherwise, I consider the press release citation debate over. Bflorio12 (talk) 16:52, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for adding the third-party citations. I have a few notes:

• Before the citations were added, you had reverted without discussion 44 edits made over the course of a month. I know we say to be bold, but making such a large reversion really requires prior discussion on the talk page. Most of these edits were the addition of properly sourced new material by the IP user 72.80.205.54, and myself both doing uncontroversial maintenance such as formatting references, and fact-checking all of the citations since I had noticed that many of them did not actually support the statements in the article. Because major changes were made after this revert, it will now take a lot of work to restore any of the old edits while maintaining the new edits.
• When you add sources, it would be helpful if you provided formatted citations including the article title, author, date, and so on. There is a tool in the editing window that makes it easy to do this; click "Cite" at the top of the editing window, and then click the "Templates" drop down box and select "Cite web" or "Cite news" as appropriate. This helps to avoid link rot by providing complete information in case the article itself changes its URL or goes offline, and also makes the source easily identifiable to readers. If this information is not provided, then other editors have to manually look it up and expand all the citations.
• Though strictly speaking it is not required, I would encourage you to register and create a username so that it is easier to discuss your contributions. Many IP addresses are shared and change periodically, and it is sometimes unclear who is making what edit. Registering also hides your IP address so it is actually more anonymous. See Wikipedia:Why create an account?
• Regarding the use of press releases, they can be used to support statements on the Mangano administration's views andvopinions, but they need to be qualified in the text with words like "According to Mangano..." or "The Mangano administration said that...". According to our core content policy on verifiability, "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy," and press releases are inherently first-party sources and specifically intended to promote the subject. I would generally say that press releases are unnecessary if the third-party source is available, and should not be used to make statements of fact in the absence of third-party sources, although they could be used sparingly to expand on Mangano's views and opinions as I just mentioned. See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Using the subject as a self-published source for the full policy.

Again, I appreciate the added sources and I hope the above suggestions are helpful and make contributing to Wikipedia a smoother process. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 05:29, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Antony-22 above. User 12.148.224.88 and his supporters simply removed an enormous amount of properly sourced (from mainstream outlets such as Newsday, the New York Times, and various Long Island newspapers) and relevant (LI Bus controversy, police budget cuts, other budget cuts, proposed sewer sale, and tax scandal allegations). In fact, anything that is remotely negative or not overwhelmingly positive about Mangano was selectively removed. This is clearly POV editing. Meanwhile much positive and frankly fluffy information (much of it from Mangano's office's press releases) were added. Even now (as of 4/3/12) check out how many of these "sources" are http://nassaucounty.ny.gov/CountyExecutive/NewsRelease" sources? Even the URL's reveal that the sources are Mangano himself. Like Antony-22 said above, first-person press releases are not acceptable as sources (except to sparingly list Mangano's viewpoints).

This constitutes one of the most clear POV editing examples I have ever seen on wikipedia and is absolutely not allowed. I agree entirely with Antony-22 above.

72.80.205.54 (talk) 14:58, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to manually merge all the changes before this gets any more tangled. I'm going to restore my and 72.80.205.54's edits; the paragraphs for which 12.148.224.88 added third-party sources and 72.80.205.54's recent edits will be retained but they will need to be copyedited and fact-checked. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 16:27, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

BLP sourcing

This is a BLP article, and thus any unsourced information is subject to removal. --RichardMills65 (talk) 18:23, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I've double sourced anything that might be questionable. If there's something that is still questionable, let me know. 12.148.224.88 (talk) 19:16, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Taxes

Mangano has implemented several regressive_tax initiatives including "$35.6 million in revenue" garnered "from increased real estate fees that" has added "hundreds or thousands of dollars to the cost of buying, selling or refinancing properties in the county." Red Light Camera ticketing was also foisted upon the tax payers. A CBS news story covered taxpayers in dismay regarding the proposed imposition of a $105 surcharge for said ticket, in that news report the term described "cries highway robbery. Alternately,and Mangano said "the fee would help pay for the police force to work overtime in policing public events, and would alleviate homeowners from potential tax increases." [12] Mangano, contrary to his representations, has increased the, already high taxes in Nassau County to egregious levels. 80 million dollars in additional fees have been placed into Mangano's latest budget. [13] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.174.99 (talk) 00:22, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

You don't like Mangano and you're here to insert partisan attacks against him. That's not how things work. I'll point you again to WP:NPOV, a policy you haven't read but still aren't allowed to violate. RunnyAmiga ※ talk 00:27, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

So an administrator, for whatever reason, skipped over my report at WP:AIV of your vandalism and it's still stuck at the backlog there. I'm not keen on filing an edit warring report since they take even longer to get looked at by admins, so I'll ask again (and post another note on your talk page) if you're interested in providing any sort of explanation as to why you think you're allowed to blatantly violate policy with this edit. RunnyAmiga ※ talk 17:19, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Proposed edit

This edit was added by Special:Contributions/96.250.174.99. I found it unacceptably contentious and reverted accordingly; 96.250.174.99 chose not to discuss besides by copypasting their original text in the section above this one. This refusal resulted in their block and semi-protection for this page. This is the text in question:

Mangano has implemented several regressive_tax initiatives including "$35.6 million in revenue" garnered "from increased real estate fees that" has added "hundreds or thousands of dollars to the cost of buying, selling or refinancing properties in the county." Light Camera ticketing was also foisted upon the tax payers. A CBS news story covered taxpayers in dismay regarding the proposed imposition of a $105 surcharge for said ticket, in that news report the term described "cries highway robbery. Alternately,and Mangano said "the fee would help pay for the police force to work overtime in policing public events, and would alleviate homeowners from potential tax increases." Mangano, contrary to his representations, has increased the, already high taxes in Nassau County to egregious levels. 80 million dollars in additional fees have been placed into Mangano's latest budget.

I have been given the go-ahead by admin User:EdJohnston to immediately remove "the partisan language about his tax changes." To me, that's the red text here:

Mangano has implemented several regressive_ tax initiatives including "$35.6 million in revenue" garnered "from increased real estate fees that" has added "hundreds or thousands of dollars to the cost of buying, selling or refinancing properties in the county." Light Camera ticketing was also foisted upon the tax payers. A CBS news story covered taxpayers in dismay regarding the proposed imposition of a $105 surcharge for said ticket, in that news report the term described "cries highway robbery. Alternately,and Mangano said "the fee would help pay for the police force to work overtime in policing public events, and would alleviate homeowners from potential tax increases." Mangano, contrary to his representations, has increased the, already high taxes in Nassau County to egregious levels. 80 million dollars in additional fees have been placed into Mangano's latest budget.

That leaves this:

Mangano has implemented several tax initiatives including "$35.6 million in revenue" garnered "from increased real estate fees that" has added "hundreds or thousands of dollars to the cost of buying, selling or refinancing properties in the county." A CBS news story covered taxpayers regarding the proposed imposition of a $105 surcharge for said ticket, Alternately,and Mangano said "the fee would help pay for the police force to work overtime in policing public events, and would alleviate homeowners from potential tax increases."

I tried as hard as I could to maintain the spirit of what was left while making fixes regarding accuracy, coherence, continuity, and plain grammatical correctness. This is what I'm going to put in the article:

Mangano has implemented several tax initiatives including "$35.6 million in revenue" garnered "from increased real estate fees that" have added "hundreds or thousands of dollars to the cost of buying, selling or refinancing properties in the county." A CBS news story about the proposed inclusion of a $105 surcharge for every issuance of a traffic or parking ticket in Nassau County quoted several county residents deriding potential fallout from such fees; in the same story, Mangano said that "the fee would help pay for the police force to work overtime in policing public events, and would alleviate homeowners from potential tax increases."

To me, all of it needs to go because it was obviously added by a partisan actor who probably has a stake in Nassau County taxes or in whether or not Mangano gets reelected next year. But since I might be biased myself, I agreed with EdJohnston's suggestion that I come here to see if the purple text there should be retained or if it all should be removed. RunnyAmiga ※ talk 20:31, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

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