Talk:Edale

Hope Valley

That's the first time I've ever heard anybody refer to the valley containing Edale as 'Hope Valley'. Among the Sheffield and Manchester visitors to the peak district I know, everybody goes by the names as printed on the OS map:

• 'Hope Valley' is the valley of Peakshole water and the Noe river, from Castleton at the head to (approximately) where the Noe joins the river Derwent at Bamford.
• 'Edale' or more commonly 'the Vale of Edale' is the northerly valley, the other side of the great ridge from Castleton.

Any other opinions out there? --VinceBowdren 20:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you (and I'd also dispute that the valley containing Castleton is a "small valley-end"); I think the article is misleading. Dave.Dunford 06:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't entirely agree. Edale is at least as much part of Hope Valley as is Grindleford, say. Hope Valley does not exist, so its boundaries are difficult to determine. Edale has Hope Valley as its post town and its telephone exchange, and its railway station is on the Hope Valley Line. Also, the local comprehensive school is Hope Valley College. If Hope Valley were a city, Edale would be a suburb! But it's not, of course. So I agree that Edale is not in Hope Valley as much as Hope and Brough are. And maybe Bamford is more Hope Valley than Castleton, but what of Ladybower and the upper Derwent? Castleton is no doubt more Hope Valley than Edale, but is Edale more Hope Valley than Hathersage, or Grindleford. All of these places, and the Snake Pass Inn on the A57 as well, are in Hope Valley as far as the Post Office is concerned. And when you turn up the Edale Road from Hope, how far along the road do you travel before you are in Edale? It is about 2 miles to the parish boundary, but does Edale begin before or after that? And is that where the Hope Valley ends?--ARAJ 01:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Noe Valley

I've never heard this term used, except in the geographical sense of the valley of the River Noe, where "valley" is likely to be uncapitalised. Google is unreliable, but on 20070131 a search on "noe-valley derbyshire -physical-therapy" yielded an estimated 424 hits, some of which are Wikipedia, or extracts thereof. Compare this with 899 for "edale-valley...", 596 for "vale-of-edale..." and 82,100 for "edale...". The truth is, the term "Edale" is used for the valley as a whole as much as the settlements in it, contrary to what the article states. A straight comparison between "edale-valley" and "vale-of-edale" shows the former is actually used more than eight times more frequently (9,730 vs 1,170), despite the "official" influence of the Ordnance Survey! --ARAJ 01:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Amenities section

While I was making a few minor edits I saw there were a couple of paragraphs that were somewhat misplaced.. the one about the youth hostel, etc, and the one about transport. I've created a new section "Amenities" and put the two paragraphs there. I think there could be more changes to improve the organization of the article, including perhaps a section devoted to The Pennine Way, etc, but I will have to leave that for somebody else to take a look at. JH49S (talk) 01:05, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

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Booth

I have been working my way through Lancashire, Cheshire, and Derbyshire, making my own gazetteer of the area. I keep on coming across civil parishes with the word "booth" in the title, and so far no one has come up with a definition. Could someone with local knowledge add this, or, even better, provide a linking article explaining the term "booth" for the uninitiated "foreigner" or "southerner"? Thanks. --Oldontarian (talk) 15:49, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

The answer is largely in the article: "Settlement in the valley consists of several booths, originally established in the 13th century as 'vaccaries' (cattle farms) along the valley of the River Noe". They're essentially farmsteads or shelters, some of which have grown into hamlets. I'd guess it's etymologically related to bothy (and the modern meaning of the word, as in "telephone booth"). Dave.Dunford (talk) 11:04, 6 February 2021 (UTC)