Talk:Edge, Branscombe

John IV Wadham (d.1502)

There are problems with the wives assigned to the above per the following text, now removed from the article pending clarification. Firstly, no source for Cheney wife, secondly, Stucley wife could not have been born until about 1516, 14 years after Wadham's death.

"...first married Isabel Cheney, daughter of John II Cheney of Pinhoe near Exeter who was four times Sheriff of Devon, in 1453, 1461, 1462 and 1472, and then Elizabeth Stukley, a daughter of Sir Hugh Stukley/Stucley (1496-1559) of Affeton Devon, Sheriff of Devon in 1545, by whom he had two sons Nicholas and William."

Am working on Stucley family at present. Need to clarify.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 16:17, 6 May 2016 (UTC))

For source of Cheney first wife see sources given for Pedigree of Wadham, Thomas Graham Jackson, Wadham College Oxfor, p.27, Oxford,1893. Even-tables Even-tables (talk) 18:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC) Even-tables (talk) 18:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Excessive detail

This is an article about Edge, not a history of the Wadham family. Thus the level of detail on every property held by the latter adn all of their children who married elsewhere and had descendants who never held Edge is all off-topic and potentially WP:NOR. If a history of the Wadhams is desired, it should be a separate page, but even there I would question whether somfe of the detail isn't excessive, but it certainly is here. Agricolae (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

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CC-BY-SA declaration; text removed from the article by me; left here in case its removal breaks any references. Baffle gab1978 05:54, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

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Descent of the manor Wadham Arms of Wadham: Gules, a chevron between three roses argent Historically, the manor of Branscombe belonged to the See of Exeter, but during the reign of King Edward III (1327–1377), the estate of Edge was acquired by the de Wadham family who took their name from the manor of Wadham, Knowstone in north Devon, and who held Edge for eight generations. In 1618, on the death of Dorothy Wadham, widow of Nicholas Wadham, co-founders of Wadham College, Oxford, it passed with Nicholas's other possessions to the heirs general of his father, his nieces and their descendants. The descent of the Wadham family of Edge given by Sir William Pole (1561-1635) is as follows: John I Wadham John I Wadham who, according to both Pole and John Prince (1643-1723), was living at Edge before the end of the reign of King Edward III (1327–1377). John II Wadham (c. 1344 – 1412) Another, Sir John Wadham, was a Justice of the Common Pleas, from 1389 to 1398, in the reign of King Richard II (1377-1399), MP for Exeter in 1379 and for Devon in 1401, as a Knight of the Shire with Sir Philip Courtenay of Powderham. Although Pole and Prince both stated him to be the son of John I Wadham of Edge, his modern History of Parliament biographer suggests he may have been the son, rather than the nephew perhaps, of Gilbert Wadham (c.1320-1383) of Wadham who, in 1383, quitclaimed to him a rent in the manor of Wadham. John Wadham held extensive lands in Devon, Somerset and Dorset and in about 1400 built a moated and fortified manor house at Merryfield, Ilton near Ilminster in Somerset, on land he purchased from Cecily de Beauchamp (c.1321-1394) of Hatch and which became his principal home. He also acquired over 300 acres of land in Branscombe, Devon, raising the possibility that during the periods assigned to John I and John II Wadham, Edge was actually held by a single John Wadham who built Edge and held it from before 1377 to 1412. William Wadham (c. 1386 – 1452) Sir William Wadham, son and heir of Merryfield and Edge, was Sheriff of Somerset and Dorset in 1438 , and Sheriff of Devon in 1442. He married Margaret Chiseldon, a daughter and co-heiress of John Chiseldon of Holcombe Rogus, Devon, Sheriff of Devon in 1406. On her death, he married Katherine Payne, the widow of his cousin John ‘Jenkyn’ Stourton (died) 1438. William and Margaret Wadham had eight children: John III Wadham, their heir, was born in 1405. John III Wadham (1405–1476) Sir John Wadham of Merifield and Edge, the eldest son and heir, added to the family possessions when he married Elizabeth Popham early in the fifteenth century, daughter and co-heiress of Sir Stephen Popham (c. 1386 – 1444) of Popham, Hampshire, five times MP, Sheriff of Hampshire in 1427, and Sheriff of Wiltshire in 1434. John Wadham made his will, dated 6 August 1473. He had three sons and four daughters. John IV Wadham (died 1502) Sir John Wadham, the eldest son and heir of Merifield and Edge from 1476, first married a daughter of John I Cheyne of 'Pine' or Pinhoe, Sheriff of Devon in 1444. Secondly, he married Elizabeth Stucley, a daughter of Sir Hugh Stucley of Affeton Castle, Sheriff of Devon in 1449, and his wife Katherine de Affeton (died 1467), by whom he had two sons. He died some time after 20 March 1501, the date of his will. Nicholas I Wadham (c. 1475 – 1542) Sir Nicholas Wadham of Merryfield and Edge was Member of parliament for Somerset, as a knight of the shire, in the Reformation Parliament of 1529, Sheriff of Devon in 1502 and 1515, Sheriff of Somerset and Dorset in 1498 and 1534, and Sheriff of Wiltshire in 1516. In 1503 he was Esquire of the Body to King Henry VII (1485–1509), and Knighted in 1504. He was Captain of the Isle of Wight at Carisbrooke Castle from 1509 to 1520. In 1520, with his uncle Sir Edward Wadham, Sheriff of Gloucestershire in 1525, 1531, and 1541, he attended the Field of the Cloth of Gold with King Henry VIII. Nicholas Wadham married four times: His first wife, Joan Hill, was a daughter of Robert Hill (1421-1493) of Halsway, Bridport and Houndstone and Alice Stourton, widow of Sir William Daubeney of Barrington Court. Nicholas and Joan Wadham had four sons and two daughters. Their eldest surviving son and heir was John V Wadham. His second wife Margaret Seymour, a kinswoman, was a sister of Sir John Seymour of Wulfhall (1474–1536) and aunt of Queen Jane Seymour. Margaret had three children by Sir Nicholas Wadham. Thirdly, he was married to Isabel Baynham, widow of Giles Brugge, 6th Baron Chandos and daughter of Thomas Baynham and Alice Walwyn of Clearwell, Gloucestershire. He married lastly, Joan Lyte (d.1557) of Lytes Cary, widow of William Walton of Barton St. David. There were apparently no children by his third and fourth marriages. John V Wadham (before 1510 – 1578) Mural monument to Joan Tregarthin (died 1583) widow successively of John Kelloway and John V Wadham (died 1578) of Merifield, Ilton, Somerset and Edge, Branscombe. North transept, Branscombe Church, Devon John Wadham (died 1578), son to Sir Nicholas by his first marriage, studied civil law at Oxford, and became heir to Merifield and Edge on the death of his elder brother, Laurence Wadham of Merifield. He was Sheriff of Somerset and Dorset in 1556 and in 1561. His wife, Joan Tregarthen, was a daughter and co-heiress of John Tregarthen of Cornwall, and widow of John Kelloway of Cullompton. John Wadham died in 1578, and was buried in the Church of St Mary, Ilminster. His widow retired to Edge, which seems to have become the dower house of the family, where she died in 1583. She was buried in Saint Winifred’s Church, Branscombe. Nicholas II Wadham (1531–1609) Nicholas Wadham, their only surviving son, and heir of Merifield and Edge, was co-founder with his wife Dorothy Wadham of the college that bears their name, and was the last male descendant in direct succession of the senior line of the Wadhams. He was born in 1531, and according to all accounts was educated at Oxford, in most likelihood at Corpus Christi. He is probably the same "Nicholas Wadham, of Brimpton, Somerset", who entered himself at the Inner Temple on March 9, 1552. In 1555, at the age of twenty-three at St Botolph's, Aldersgate, Nicholas married Dorothy, daughter of Sir William Petre (1505-1572), of Ingatestone Hall and Writtle in Essex. Nicholas Wadham "entered the courtly life for a moderately long time", but he and Dorothy seem to have retired early on to lead a country life at Merifield where they lived with Nicholas's father. He served as a Commissioner of the peace, and in 1585 Nicholas Wadham was Sheriff of Somerset and Dorset. Nicholas and Dorothy were to die without progeny. After the death of her husband, Dorothy Wadham retired to Edge where she died in 1618. Edge, with Nicholas Wadham's other possessions, passed to the heirs of his father, that is to his three sisters and their descendants, of which Joan Wadham (1533-1603) first married Sir Giles Strangways (1528–1562) of Melbury five times MP for Dorset and then Sir John Young (died 1589) of the Great House in Bristol, Margaret Wadham married Nicholas Martin or Martyn (c. 1550 – 1595) of Athelhampton, Dorset, and Florence Wadham (1538-1596) married Sir John Wyndham (1516-1572) of Orchard Wyndham in Somerset. Wyndham/Fox-Strangways Arms of Wyndham: Azure, a chevron between three lion's heads erased or Following the death of Dorothy Wadham in 1618, Edge passed into the families of the sisters and co-heiresses (at least in their issue) of Nicholas Wadham; namely, the Martyns of Athelhampton, Dorset, the Wyndhams of Orchard Wyndham, Somerset, later Earls of Egremont at Petworth House in Sussex, and the Fox-Strangways of Melbury House, Dorset, later Earls of Ilchester, who retained ownership until 1933 and in the interval let Edge to a series of tenant farmers. Langdon Edge was at one point occupied as tenants by the Langdons, of Chard in Somerset, and was described in the eighteenth century as "derelict in appearance". Richards Early in the twentieth century it was tenanted by a Mr. Richards, of Sidmouth, who was born in Branscombe. Masters Edge was finally purchased in 1933 by Captain Frank Masters, an architect, in a decayed state and with the former chapel being used as a dairy. He began extensive renovations in 1935, but did not live to complete the work. Blackburn The renovations begun by Captain Masters were completed by Robert Blackburn, an aeronautical engineer. DeSavery Owned the property for a short time to try and run it as an outward bound school. Leese Did extensive modernisation and decorations. Neuman Lived at Edge with their family, Who built the current conservatory for which there was placed a 15th century french gargoyle, did extensive landscape work to the gardens, restoration to the reception room on the ground floor, rethatched the barn. Yvonne (Neuman) was honored as guest of honour at the Dorothy Wadham dinner Oxford University. Both boys Aravinda Neuman and Arjuna Neuman who grew up at Edge attended Winchester College. Mithra Neuman did over 200 building renovations in the Devon area. Many of them listed buildings. Some: Trews Weir Mill Exeter, Kings Wharf Exeter, Whirligig Taunton, Harry Hems Buildings Exeter. Yvonne Neuman founded the Charity Vital for Children, and did famous Ted Talk, "Why Do you Care". Robinson Dorothy Wadham's bedroom, Edge Barton, in which the Warden of Wadham College stayed overnight in June 2010 In 1996, Edge was acquired by retired businessman (Michael) Silvan(us) Robinson CBE and his wife June, (née Wood), a former Conservative mayor of the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames. Before 1988 Silvan Robinson was president of the Shell International Trading Company, a subsidiary of Royal Dutch Shell, and was awarded a CBE in the 1988 New Year Honours. The Robinsons established a link with Wadham College and in June 2010, to mark the 400th anniversary of the college's foundation, they entertained Sir Neil Chalmers, Warden of Wadham College and a number of the Fellows at Edge. The Warden and his wife stayed the night in Dorothy Wadham's bedroom. "Dorothy is quite a cult figure at the College", stated Mr. Robinson "and our visitors were delighted to see where she'd come from". References Baffle gab1978 05:55, 20 December 2018 (UTC)