Talk:Edict of Gülhane

Hatt-i Sharif of Gulhane

For some reason I really doubt the original title was "Hatt-i Sharif of Gulhane", the word "of" doesn't exist in Ottoman Turkish as far as I know. Mustaqbal 12:39, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

There is no title in the original edict. Edicts or firmans simply start with "In the name of Allah the Most Gracious and the Most Merciful". Edicts are formally known as Hatt-ı Hümayun which means Imperial Edict. To identify edicts, place or date were stated but they were only informal indications. ---the above was not signed---

However, the point is still valid: the name in some historical analyses, in English, is this bizarre compound, but it makes no sense to give it a Turkish and English combined name. Most current scholars go with Gülhane Hatt-ı Şerif-i or Gülhane Hatt-ı Hümayunu or Hatt-ı Şerif-i Gülhane or Gülhane Hatt-ı şerif to avoid this ill-worded solecism. I have put the last one of these. Nlight2 (talk) 14:44, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Conflicting information

There seems to be conflicting information in this article vs the article on Mustafa Reşid Pasha. This article says that the edict was issued in 1839 'at the behest of reformist Grand Vizier Mustafa Reşid Pasha.' However the article on Mustafa Reşid Pasha says that he was first appointed Grand Vizier in 1846. Prior to that time he was variously Ambassador to England, France and minister for foreign affairs. I don't know which article is correct but obviously they both can't be. I'm guessing that Mustafa Reşid Pasha was indeed the principal architect of the edict, but that he was not the Grand Vizier at the time the edict was issued. DlronW (talk) 22:42, 21 October 2023 (UTC)