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Tokyo

Does anyone still call Tokyo Edo? -- Taku 03:33 Mar 22, 2003 (UTC)

No, not modern day Tokyo. Referring to Tokyo before its rename is referring to Edo. WhisperToMe 08:22, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Nah but a person born and bred in Tokyo is called an 'Eddoko' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.173.165.63 (talk)

Derivation of name

I removed the following text from the article:

"Eastern Capital" or "To" - "Kyo" was simply the inversion of the syllables "Kyo" - "To", the name of the former capital.

Even though this seems reasonable — and even obvious — in English, a closer look shows that it's not correct. In romaji, note that Tōkyō has two long vowels whereas Kyōto has one long and one short vowel. You can also see the difference in hiragana, where Tō — kyō is とう — きょう　whereas Kyōto is きょう — と. And in kanji, Tōkyō is 東京 whereas Kyōto is 京都. Although they share one kanji, they are not the same in inverted order.

Tōkyō means "Eastern capital"; Kyōto means "capital city."

Fg2 07:30, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)

Size

Shouldn't some mention be made of Edo's impressive size? It's usually quoted in discussions that it was one of (or the) world's largest cities during the Tokugawa era. (See Tokyo for example.) Brutannica 01:58, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Possible External Link

The Brooklyn Museum has just put the entire series online as an online exhibition: The One Hundred Famous Views of Edo

http://www.brooklynmuseum.org/exhibitions/online/edo/ Brooklynmuseum 23:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Disregard and inaccuracies

I write with great displeasure about the continuous disregard and inaccuracies about the documentations and references of African cultural accomplishments and history. I believe any worth doing is worth doing well.

Unfortunately, this is not the case in many academic institutions, search engines, dictionaries, and even encyclopedias, which should be an accurate place where people come to get most of their information on a daily basis. When you search for the word “Edo” it is unanimously given to the country of Japan as the former name of Tokyo, which actually was once spelled as Yedo or Yeddo. Yedo did not enter world history as a name of a place in Japan and did not become the seat of government until 1603.

The original and the oldest “Edo” is the name of an African people from Western African, who created the Great Benin Empire or Kingdom, which went as far as from some parts of eastern Nigeria to areas past Ghana along the coast of West Africa. The Edo/Benin history dates back to around 1000 AD, which includes our first dynasty - the Ogiso dynasty (there were 35 Ogisos). A lot of traditional rulers in Eastern Nigeria, Western Nigeria, Benin, Togo, and Ghana owe their cultural and social existence to the Edo people of Benin (Benin City, Nigeria). Today, the original Edo people reside in Edo State of Nigeria and their capital is Benin (Benin City). Edo is the name of the people while Benin was the name of the land (Empire/Kingdom). The Edo people or Benin Kingdom has had three dynasties. Popular academia for some reason choose to recognize and perpetuate our second dynasty as our beginning when our banished prince (Ekaladerhan, who disguised his name as Izoduwa but was later corrupted to Oduduwa), who was supposed to be executed by his father sent his son from Ile-Ife to continue the linage of Kingship he left behind because he was too old to travel back and his father left no other heir to the throne. This event took place about 1200 AD. If this is the historical fact, why should Yedo (Edo) of Japan be given more preference in academic and reference achieves? I hope race or economic influence has no place in the proper documentation of historical facts or reference? I ask because I see no reason why “Yedo”, Japan of 1603 should come before “Edo”, Nigeria of 1000 AD in terms of historical priority and fact when searching for the word “Edo”. In fact, European explorers, missionaries, traders, and historians have been documenting the Edo people of Benin City, Nigeria since 1486, so I do not know where this bias or negligence came from. Could it be because a people that once ruled an empire that include more than four African countries have now being reduced to a state in Nigeria? Or is preference given to countries or capital of countries over states? I want you to know that unlike many European empires like Rome, the Edo of Benin (Nigeria) forbade their subjects to speak their language, which they considered the language of the King. Instead, each chief in every district of the empire was a relative of the King and was encouraged to marry and learn the language of the conquered peoples. The job of the Chief was to organize and control the people to pay tax and bring resources to Benin, the capital of the Benin Empire or Kingdom in Nigeria. So when the capital of the empire finally fell in 1897 to the British, their influence quickly disappeared. Edofolks 19:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

The African topic sounds fascinating, and I invite you to contribute to that article, and to other African history articles. I am sure they could use the help, and they would be great to read. Unfortunately, all too often in this world, the popularity or commonality of something in common knowledge is not based on which is older, or otherwise more important, but simply which, for one reason or another, has entered into the modern popular consciousness on the basis of modern events. Japan is a popular and familiar topic in the West for a wide variety of reasons, probably just as varied and numerous as the reasons why Nigeria and Benin are not. I do not mean to disparage your point - your research sounds very interesting, and very worthwhile. But Japan is one of the great powers today, Tokyo one of the largest cities in the world, and Edo (the Japanese abolished the 'ye' sound in the 1940s) the largest city in the world for several centuries before that. I'm sorry. But it's not like there aren't articles for Edo State and Edo language. Maybe you should create an article for Edo people or Edo culture. That could be great. LordAmeth 08:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Expansion

I've created some headings to help organize the article, and perhaps, hopefully, to inspire contributions and expansion. What I have added thus far today is purely from my own knowledge, so I apologize that none of it is cited. At some point later today, or later in the week, I hope to return with some real sources to expand further. Considering the considerable potential overlap between geography and other topics, it may turn out best in the end to cut down on that section to strictly geographical/topological concerns, discussing the goings-on of various areas in the appropriate sections (government, economy, urban culture). We'll see. LordAmeth 09:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Alternate Spelling: Jeddo

Apparently, Jeddo was also an acceptable spelling from at least the 1860's.

A number of place names in the US are based on this spelling Jeddo,_Michigan and Jeddo Pennsylvania

Sources which show Jeddo this as a former name of Tokyo can be found via:

http://books.google.com/books?client=firefox&um=1&q=Jeddo%2C+the+former+name+of+TOKYO&btnG=Search+Books

and some uses via: http://books.google.com/books?client=firefox&um=1&q=jeddo&btnG=Search+Books

Lent (talk) 01:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

"Jeddo" was a common variant in German-language texts, etc. — the "J" in German being pronounced like the (initial) "Y" in English. Pinkville (talk) 02:34, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Photographs

I'd like to suggest that we replace the two photographs on the right margin, which are by Tamamura Kozaburō and Adolfo Farsari, neither of whom was a practicing photographer in pre-Meiji Japan; therefore, neither of these photographs show Edo, rather, they show Tokyo. The panorama by Felice Beato is of Edo (taken in 1865 or 1866) and there are other photographic images of Edo, though not many. I'll see if I can find a couple of good ones. Pinkville (talk) 02:29, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Recorded Population of Edo

Rodrigo de Vivero y Velasco reported that the population of Edo was about 150,000 in 1609. The popualtion of Edo grew afte the introduction Sankin kōtai to become the most populous city in Japan. The official area of Edo has slightly changed from time to time. According to a survey in the forth month of Meiji 2 (May, 1869), Edo consists of area for samurai (武家地, buke-chi) (11,692,000 tsubo, 38.65 km², 68.6%) which include Edo Castle and residences of Daimyo, area under Edo machi-bugyō (町方支配場, machikata-shihaiba) (2,696,000 tsubo, 8.91 km², 15.8%) and area for temples and shrines (寺社門前地, jishamonzen-chi) (2,661,000 tsubo, 8.80 km², 15.6%). The recorded censuses of Edo where only populations of chōnin who lived in machikata-shihaiba and jishamonzen-chi were counted are as follows (only reliable ones are selected):

Date in Japanese calendar	Date in Gregorian calendar	Total population of machikata and jishamonzen						Machikata-shihaiba			Jishamonzen-chi			Temporal workers			Sources
		total	male	female	born in Edo	born outside Edo	birthplace unknown	total	male	female	total	male	female	total	male	female
Genroku 6	1693							353,588									正寶事録 (Syōhō Jiroku)
Kyōhō 6, 11th month	Dec, 1721							501,394	323,285	178,109							吹塵録 (Suijin Roku) (edited by Katsu Kaishū), 重宝録 (Jūhō Roku)
Kyōhō 7, 4th month	May, 1722							483,355	312,884	170,471							Jūhō Roku
Kyōhō 7, 9th month	Oct, 1722							476,236	307,277	168,959							Jūhō Roku
Kyōhō 8, 4th month	May, 1723							459,842	290,279	169,563							Jūhō Roku
Kyōhō 8, 9th month	Sep, 1723							473,840	304,686	169,154							Jūhō Roku
Kyōhō 9, 4th month	Apr, 1724							464,577	299,072	165,505							Jūhō Roku
Kyōhō 9, 9th month	Oct, 1724							469,343	301,018	168,325							Jūhō Roku
Kyōhō 10, 4th month	May, 1725							462,102	301,125	160,977							Jūhō Roku
Kyōhō 10, 9th month	Oct, 1725							472,496	301,920	170,576							Jūhō Roku
Kyōhō 11	1726							471,988									Suijin Roku
Kyōhō 17, 11th month	Dec, 1732	533,518															Suijin Roku, 江戸會雜誌 (Edo-kai Zasshi) (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Kyōhō 18, 9th month	Oct, 1733	536,380	340,277	196,103				475,521	303,958	171,563	60,859	36,319	24,540				享保撰要類集 (Kyōhō Senyō Ruishū)
Kyōhō 19, 4th month	May, 1734	533,763	338,112	195,651				473,114	301,851	171,263	60,649	36,261	24,388				Kyōhō Senyō Ruishū
Kyōhō 19, 9th month	Sep, 1734	528,776	335,279	193,497				468,840	299,530	169,310	59,936	35,749	24,187				Kyōhō Senyō Ruishū
Kyōhō 20, 9th month	Oct, 1735	530,648	336,629	194,019				470,359	300,633	169,726	60,289	35,996	24,293				Kyōhō Senyō Ruishū
Genbun 1, 4th month	May, 1736	527,047	333,998	193,049				466,867	298,012	168,855	60,180	35,986	24,194				Kyōhō Senyō Ruishū
Genbun 1, 9th month	Oct, 1736	527,974						467,588			60,386	36,108	24,278				Kyōhō Senyō Ruishū
Genbun 3	1738							453,594									Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Genbun 3, 4th month	May, 1738	528,117	333,238	194,879				469,601	298,445	171,156	58,516	34,793	23,723				町奉行支配惣町人人数高之改 (Machibugyō-shihai Sō-chōnin-ninzū-daka no Aratame)
Genbun 3, 9th month	Oct, 1738	526,813	332,019	194,794				468,446	297,223	171,223	58,367	34,796	23,571				Machibugyō-shihai Sō-chōnin-ninzū-daka no Aratame
Kanpō 2, 9th month	Sep, 1742	501,346	316,357	184,989				446,278	283,647	162,631	55,068	32,710	22,358				Machibugyō-shihai Sō-chōnin-ninzū-daka no Aratame
Kanpō 3, 4th month	Apr, 1743	501,166	316,373	184,793				448,453	285,270	163,183	52,713	31,103	21,610				Machibugyō-shihai Sō-chōnin-ninzū-daka no Aratame
Enkyō 1	1744							460,164									Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Enkyō 2, 9th month	Sep, 1745	515,667	325,187	190,480				460,369	292,452	167,917	55,298	32,735	22,563				Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Enkyō 3, 4th month	May, 1746	504,277	317,730	186,547				446,642	283,587	163,055	57,635	34,143	23,492				寛延奇談 (Kan'en Kidan) (written by 西田耕三 (Nishida Kōzō))
Enkyō 4, 4th month	May, 1747	512,913	322,493	190,420				454,226	288,027	166,199	58,687	34,466	24,221				Kyōhō Senyō Ruishū
Enkyō 4, 9th month	Oct, 1747	513,327	322,752	190,575				453,592	287,505	166,087	59,735	35,247	24,488				Kyōhō Senyō Ruishū
Kan'en 3, 12th month	Dec, 1750	509.708															Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Hōreki 6	1756	505,858															Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Hōreki 12	1762	501,880															Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Meiwa 5	1768	508.467															Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
An'ei 3	1774	482,747															Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
An'ei 9	1780	489,787															Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Tenmei 3	1786	457,083															Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Kansei 4	1792	481,669															Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Kansei 10, 5th month	Nov, 1798	492,449	283,163	209,286													一話一言 (Ichiwa Ichigen) (written by Ōta Nampo), Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Bunka 1	1804	492,053															Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Bunka 7	1810	497,085															Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Bunka 13	1816	501,061															Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Bunsei 5	1822	520,793															Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Bunsei 11	1828	527,293															Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Tenpō 3, 5th month	May, 1832	545,623	297,536	248,087	414,774	130,849	0	474,674	260,149	214,525	70,949	37,387	33,562				椎実筆 (Shii-no-mi Fude) (written by 蜂屋茂橘 (Hachiya Mokitsu)), Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Tenpō 5	1834	522,754															Suijin Roku, Edo-kai Zasshi (Vol. 1, no. 2, pp. 18–26 （1889))
Tenpō 11, 4th (or 5th) month	May, 1840	551,369	296,414	254,955													天保撰要類集 (Tenpō Senyō Ruishū)
Tenpō 12, 4th (or 5th) month	May (or June), 1841	563,689	306,451	257,238	413,103	150,586	0										Tenpō Senyō Ruishū
Tenpō 13, 4th month	May, 1842	551,063	295,518	255,545				477,349	257,130	220,219	73,714	38,388	35,326				Tenpō Senyō Ruishū
Tenpō 14, 7th month	July, 1843	553,257	292,352	260,905	388,185	165,072	0	479,103	253,820	225,283	74,154	38,532	35,622	34,201	25,848	8,353	Tenpō Senyō Ruishū
Tenpō 14, 9th month	Sep, 1943	547,434	288,732	258,702	386,040	161,881	31	474,739	251,045	223,694	72,695	37,687	35,008	29,475	22,374	7,101	Tenpō Senyō Ruishū (addressed on Tenpō 14, 9th month)
Tenpō 14, 9th month (readdresed 11th month, 26th day)	Sep, 1943 (readdressed on )	547,952	289,032	258,920	378.885	168,549	0	477,076	252,327	224,749	70,876	36,705	34,171	29,476	22,437	7,039	Tenpō Senyō Ruishū (readdressed on Jan 15, 1844 (26th day of 11th month, Tenpō 14))
Kōka 1, 4th month	May, 1844	559,497	290,861	268,636	401,121	158,321	55	491,905	255,793	236,112	67,592	35,068	32,524	24,092	19,142	4,950	Tenpō Senyō Ruishū
Kōka 1, 9th month	Oct, 1844	558,761	292,320	266,441	401,363	157,333	65	484,472	253,997	230,475	74,289	38,323	35,966	21,650	17,044	4,606	Tenpō Senyō Ruishū
Kōka 2, 5th month	Jun, 1845	557,698	293,391	264,307													松の寿 (Matsu no Kotobuki) (written by 藤岡屋慶治郎 (Fujiokaya Keijirō)), 蠧余一得 (Toyo Ittoku) (written by 向山誠斎 (Mukōyama Seisai)), Suijin Roku
Kaei 2, 9th month	Oct, 1849	564,943	291,666	273,277										11,594	9,701	1,893	藤岡屋日記 (Fujiokaya Nikki) (written by 須藤由蔵 (Sudō Yoshizō))
Kaei 3, 4th month	May, 1850	559,115	288,362	270,753	414,686	144,231	198							10,434	8,679	1,755	Fujiokaya Nikki
Kaei 6, 4th month	May, 1853	574,927	295,453	279,474				492,271	253,180	239,091	82,656	42,273	40,383	9,265	7,686	1,579	市中取締類集 (Shichū Torishimari Ruishū)
Kaei 6, 9th month	Oct, 1853	575,091	295,275	279,816	430,871	143,919	301	492,317	252,847	239,470	82,774	42,428	40,346	9,075	7,534	1,541	Shichū Torishimari Ruishū
Ansei 1 (or Ansei 2), 4th month	Apr, 1854 (or May 1855)	573,619	294,028	279,591	432,022	141,264	333							8,515	7,026	1,489	統計學雜誌 (Tōkeigaku Zasshi) (no. 306), (same with Ansei 2, 4th month)
Ansei 1, 9th month	Oct, 1854	570,898	292,413	278,485	429,917	140,637	344							8,306	6,869	1,437	Tōkeigaku Zasshi (no. 306, pp. 397–398 （1911))
Ansei 2, 9th month	Oct, 1855	564,544	288,402	276,142	427,775	137,431	339							7,979	6,609	1,370	Tōkeigaku Zasshi (no. 306, pp. 397–398 （1911))
Man'en 1, 4th month	May, 1860	557,373	282,924	274,449	428,367	128,584	442							6,393	5,113	1,280	Tōkeigaku Zasshi (no. 306, pp. 397–398 （1911))
Man'en 1, 9th month	Oct, 1860	562,505	287,644	274,861	425,169	137,004	332							8,021	6,636	1,385	Tōkeigaku Zasshi (no. 306, pp. 397–398 （1911))
Keiō 3, 4th month	May, 1867	539,618	272,715	266,903	421,711	117,407	500							4,692	3,642	1,050	Tōkeigaku Zasshi (no. 306, pp. 397–398 （1911))
Keiō 3, 9th month	Sep, 1867	538,463	269,902	268,561	421,023	116,926	514	457,066	228,959	228,107	81,397	40,943	40,454	4,616	3,597	1,019	Tōkeigaku Zasshi (no. 306, pp. 397–398 （1911)), 内外新報 (Naigai Shinpō) (no. 21 (1868))
Meiji 2, 1st day of the 1st month	Feb 11, 1869	674,447															府藩県石高人口表 (Fu Han Ken Kokudaka Jinkō Hyō) (Total population includes Kazoku , Shizoku and Sotsuzoku)
Meiji 2, 3rd month	Apr, 1869							503,703	260,936	242,767							東京府誌 (Tōkyō-fu Shi)
Jan 1, Meiji 6	Jan 1, 1873	595,905	310,050	285,855										82,600	53,162	29,438	日本地誌提要 (Nihon Chishi Teiyō) (Total population includes Kazoku , Shizoku, Sotsuzoku, and temporal residents)

Populations of Buddhist monks and nuns, Shinto priests, or prostitutes, Eta and Hinin remain in unreliable sources. Populaion of Buddhist and Shinto priests is estimated to be around 40,000; population in Yoshiwara is around 10,000; population of Eta and Hini is around 10,000.

On the other hand, population of samurai class and their servants class has not been recorded in texts, though buke-chi shared about 69% of the area of Edo. 小宮山綏介 (Yasusuke Komiyama) (in 1891) estimated the population of samurai and servants as 300,000; {nihongo|鷹見安二郎|Yasujirō Takami} (in 1940) estimated the population of samurai and servants as 620,000. {nihongo|関山直太郎|Naotarō Sekiyama} (in 1958) estimated the population of samurai and servants as 500,000.Aurichalcum (talk) 09:33, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

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I would love to contribute to this page in any way I can. I noticed there was a lot to expand on and cite, and some sections seem unbalanced, or have little information. Where would be a good place to start? I don't want to step on any toes but I want learn and help also. Kblair9 (talk) 00:12, 5 February 2018 (UTC)