Talk:Edward Seidensticker

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It was not Donald Richie who was one of the Boulder Boys, but Donald Keene, so I changed it. Mycomp 02:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mycomp (talk • contribs)

Birth place

Per his New York Times obituary, Seidensticker was born in Castle Rock, CO, and got his B. A. degree at the University of Colorado. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1:B080:1091:1DFC:466A:B0CA:5428 (talk) 20:55, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Brother

If his brother was older, why were they in the same high school graduating class? 2600:8805:5800:F500:9C9D:6AB3:CBF8:A317 (talk) 02:08, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

WP:OR? dead link.

This passage cannot be verified as saying Richie was commenting on Seidensticker.

In an 2004 interview, Donald Richie explained:

It didn’t occur to me that there were things beside linear, rational, Socratic thought. In the West, it is an insult is to say, "But that’s illogical!' Here, if you want to devastate a person, tell him he’s ronri-teki – too logical. One of the main ways of communication in Japan is through associative thought. In Japan, something that is too logical is stiff, unnatural, stilted.

Seidensticker learned how not to be ronri-teki.

If any one can access the source and check . . .Nishidani (talk) 15:26, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Nishidani, archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20061208081711/http://www.jpf.go.jp:80/e/publish/jfn/pdf/jfn30_1.pdf

It verifies the quote, but doesn't really verify the final sentence. As a side note, you can always add a {{dead link}} tag after the cite. If you're lucky, a bot will come along and fix it for you. --NSH001 (talk) 18:10, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank that fellow who pretends to exist, that I have a genius stalking me. I tried to google that any number of ways, nothing came up. I struck it out because it sounds so unlike Seidensticker that it must have been WP:OR. True Richie states that Seidensticker was one of several people who taught him other ways of thinking that the purely logical (ronriteki), but you can't infer from that anecdote that Seidensticker 'learned how not to be ronri-teki. Seidensticker grasped intimately the associative drift of some varieties of Japanese customary ways of thinking (every culture basically thinks associatively not logically: if we thought logically, we wouldn't have the Trumps, Clinton, Blairs and Bushes of this world), but there is no evidence in his writings I recall that suggests he was 'illogical'. To the contrary. He was a very astute reader of the logical connections between things, witness his wonderful book on Kafū the scribbler or his Low City, High City: Tokyo from Edo to the Earthquake. It's WP:OR, in short, as I guessed.Nishidani (talk) 19:38, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

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