Talk:Edward Stratemeyer

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FWDixon/Finnan is a spammer and plagiarist with more than 100 links from Wiki to his web site to sell books on Amazon. (preceding unsigned comment by 69.205.13.193 17:31, 20 August 2005 (UTC))

- *See discussion with anon about links in question here. ∞Who?¿? 19:20, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

See 1 for discussion about User FWDixon/Bob Finnan's link spamming and plagiarism.

More on the link spamming and commercial advertising. Example http://hardyboys.bobfinnan.com/hbpb.htm is just a list of titles that all have links to Amazon. All of the books summaries were copied from Amazon. Every HB Digest title, Casefiles title, Clues Brothers title, Supermysteries title, Ultra Thriller title and so on has a link to Amazon and all summaries were copied from Amazon. Does that tell anyone something?

Yep, tells us you're lying! Here's a link to Amazon's Ultra Thriller page (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671756613/ref=nosim) and not a summary to be seen. Ditto for everything else. BTW, thanks for all the links to my site, I'm sure it will increase readership! :) --FWDixon 14:54, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh Really? Lets try a few just on the Undercover Brothers.

Extreme Danger (#1) - 4/05

Finnan: Mission: To find the mastermind behind a possible attack at the Big Air Games. Amazon: Mission: To find the mastermind behind a possible attack at the Big Air Games.

Running On Fumes (#2) - 4/05

Finnan: Mission: Investigate and determine the power behind a possibly dangerous Utopian community with potential plans for criminal activity within the oil industry. Amazon: Mission: Investigate and determine the power behind a possibly dangerous Utopian community with potential plans for criminal activity within the oil industry.

Boardwalk Bust (#3) - 4/05

get rekt m8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.209.23.11 (talk) 04:00, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Finnan: Mission: Investigate and put a halt to the recent rash of jewelry store robberies. Potential danger on the ground and in the air.

Amazon: Mission: Investigate and put a halt to the recent rash of jewelry store robberies. Potential danger on the ground and in the air.

OH! You only plagiarized SOME of the summaries? Ultra Thrillers? You mean the summaries you have are not word for word from the back of the books? What summaries for any books in any of these series do you claim you wrote?

Your summary for this title as an example was excerpted from the first line of http://www.iblist.com/book.php?id=9910. 2010 Marks 100th anniversary of tghe Tom Swesift series bye the Stratemeyer Sydicate "Tom Swift and His Motocycle" Hope theres some sort of remebrance at that tume Thanks! THEEDSON1 (talk) 04:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

YES!There should be a Tom Swift Book remebrance

Yes, there should be a Tom Swift 100th anniversary remebrance 2010 for the first Tom Swift Book Tom Swift And His Motorcycle 1910. Mr. Starmeyers contribution to Childrens litature is great! !Thanks!(DatedforfilesAMMOrn,Fri.21,200921stcent.Dr.Edson Andre' Johnson D.D.ULC>"X",)SoCalKid (talk) 20:03, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Father of Tom Swift etc

Happy Birthday Edward Startemeyere Father of Tom Swift Books etc. today oct.4th,2009 21stCent AM Morn Dr.Edson ASndre' Johnson D.D.ULC>Edsonbrasil (talk) 18:56, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Prolific Author

According to Omnibus II (published by Veritas Press in 2005, ISBN 978-1-932168-44-0), page 148, Edward Stratemeyer was "arguably among the most prolific and influential American authors. Indeed, he wrote and sold more than almost any other writer who has ever lived anywhere at any time - some 1300 novels selling in excess of 500 million copies." Ork Rule (talk) 15:39, 29 January 2010 (UTC) Should we put that on the page or not? Ork Rule (talk) 14:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

There is an important distinction between the books Stratemeyer wrote himself (160) and the books produced by the Stratemeyer Syndicate he founded in 1905 (~1300 or more). He, or the Syndicate, was the owner of these latter stories under the works for hire terms of the Copyright Law of 1909 and would be considered the "author" for purposes of determining who and when those properties could be published (literally the right to make copies).14:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keeline (talk • contribs)

Omnibus II as a primary source is a problem. This is the relevant page on Google Books (http://books.google.com/books?id=zClmDnl3b3EC&pg=PA148). The footnote numbers are hard to read but the quotes attributed to Stratemeyer are numbers 3, 4, & 5. The endnotes for the chapter are buried on p. 158 (http://books.google.com/books?id=zClmDnl3b3EC&pg=PA158) and all point to a single source:

Dockery, Herman. The Era of Juvenile Fiction. New York: Laramie and Sons, 1956. 23.

Here's my problem. With more than 20 years researching this genre of books, I'm well aware of nearly all of the references out there. I've never heard of this and I can find no evidence that it exists. I've checked Google Books, WorldCat.org and Google.com. I have serious doubts that this source even exists.

Furthermore, the quotes attributed to Stratemeyer are not ones I've seen anywhere else. Someone needs to produce this Dockery reference book or bonafide Stratemeyer books or letters that include these quoted. I suspect that this part of Omnibus II is a fake. Until it can be proven, it has no business as a source for this entry. Keeline (talk) 03:46, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Career

This article uses poor sources. The Omnibus II (Veritas Press) is hardly an authoritative source on this topic. The Dinan book makes many errors with regard to Stratemeyer so should not be used as a source. If you look at Gilbert Patten's own autobiography you will see that Stratemeyer hired Patten! Patten did not hire Stratemeyer. Plus, this is hardly the highlight of his career.

What Stratemeyer did was not act as a "publisher" but more of what is now called a "book packager." Through his Stratemeyer Syndicate, which he established in 1905, he came up with series ideas, arranged with publishers to issue them, created outlines for stories, hired ghostwriters to complete the manuscripts. When the manuscripts were done, he paid the ghostwriters promptly and fairly well in the money of the period. He edited the stories as needed and submitted them to publishers such as Cupples & Leon, Grosset & Dunlap, and others.

Keeline (talk) 14:00, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Pen Names

Ok, this all started because I found a book online (ManyBooks) originally published in 1901 with the author listed as a Captain Ralph Bonehill. The book in question is "Boys of the For" and subtitled "Or a Young Captain's Pluck." In the preface the author states ""BOYS OF THE FORT" is a complete story in itself, but forms the fifth volume of a line of works issued under the general title of "Flag of Freedom Series."" The thing was that I was trying to find when this book is supposed to be set and tried looking up the author's name without much luck biography wise. However, when I tried Project Guttenberg it redirected to Edward Stratemeyer. And under Stratemeyer it lists not only Ralph Bonehill but also a Arthur M. Winfield. And beside the link for the book they list him as the author. Now what I'm wondering is was this a pen for Stratemeyer? -annonymous 10/14/2011 6:08 AM EST — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.14.252 (talk) 10:09, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Edward Stratemeyer had many stories published under his own name. Most of these were published by Lee & Shepard or Lothrop, Lee & Shepard. He also used two personal pseudonyms for many of his stories: "Captain Ralph Bonehill" and "Arthur M. Winfield". The Winfield name was used for the Rover Boys (1899-1926), Putnam Hall (1905-1911), and several single titles. Bonehill was used for hunting, sports and historical tales mostly.

As I noted last year, in all Edward wrote 160 stories published as books. He also wrote many more which were published as serials in magazines called "story papers" by collectors.

This has to be one of the most inaccurate and poorly-worded Wikipedia entries I have seen in quite a while. Keeline (talk) 00:05, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Poor page, considering...

I have to agree with Keeline (right above). Considering the importance of Edward's body of work - this page is a joke - which is why I added the stub class tag - because it is a big stubby.Paradise coyote (talk) 00:25, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Articles like this one make me appalled to be a part of this community. One of the most important figures in the history of literature has a page shorter than that of this guy (yes, I found him through one click of the random article feature). Hopefully, Tom Swift being on the front page will help bring attention to this article. Bzweebl (talk) 02:31, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

education?

there is no information during his childhood other than when and where he was born. We need more information, and I cant finish a project because of it.76.182.204.239 (talk) 03:30, 15 February 2013 (UTC)simon

Publishers

In publisher article Grosset & Dunlap, we say that company is known for its juvenile series "from its long partnership with the Stratemeyer Syndicate", no dates. In series article Rover Boys, we say that was Edward Stratemeyer's first juvenile series, published from 1899 to 1926 and maintained in print by Grosset & Dunlap, with G&D editions from the 1910s/20s best known, no information whether he started with G&D. Here we say Edward S established the S Syndicate in 1906. We give pre-1906 publication dates for the first 9 Rover Boys novels and give 1904 inauguration date for the Bobbsey Twins, no list of titles or explicit mention of publisher, only general attribution of the series to S Syndicate.

Who was Edward's first book publisher? Who were his other publishers to 1906? In what sense was the Stratemeyer Syndicate from 1906 a publisher or work in partnership with publishers? This biography and the articles on both early series should be revised.

--P64 (talk) 16:12, 11 June 2015 (UTC)