Talk:Eek, a Penis!

Dangerous Minds

After watching dangerous minds it seems that Cartman teaching the students was a paradoy of dangerous minds. From the imdb tagline "She Broke The Rules... And Changed Their Lives" if people agree, I'll add a cultural reference section.

24.253.115.235 (talk) 10:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC) Zeroedout

See Talk:Eek, a Penis!#Coach Carter? Stand and Deliver?. Do not add cultural references (or other material) to Wikipedia articles without having a source that verifies the content you wish to add.-- The Red Pen of Doom 14:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Eek-a-Mouse

Worth mentioning that the title of this episode might be a reference to reggae artist Eek-a-Mouse?

Maybe but it's best to wait until the episode comes out to see if there's any reason they would be making a reference to that name. If there's no obvious reason and no source for it then it shouldn't be included.Ttony21 (talk) 02:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

i watched it and agree, it's obviously in relation to reggae artist eek-a-mouse, because if you google "eek a" the only think comes up is "mouse" and the joke here is with the mouse.. but i just dont get it - what does it have to do with the artist eek-a-mouse? this is so insequential - can someone explain? --Topk (talk) 08:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

No, there is no connection to the reggae singer. "Eek! A mouse!" is a common English language phrase. It's usually used in cartoons, coupled with a stereotypically frightened woman standing on a chair, holding up her skirt - exactly as the women in this South Park episode were reacting to the penis-mouse. Hoof Hearted (talk) 14:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The title is a refference to the fear of mice and Phallophobia - Fear of a penis. Mieciu K (talk) 00:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

lol, I didn't even notice your comment before I made mine. I think its a rather obscure reference, but a reference all the same. -Roger (talk) 01:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it's simply a reference to the old timey phrase "eek! a mouse!". There would be no reason to be referencing the reggae artist. Ttony21 (talk) 01:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

That's probably true, but I thought it'd be more than a coincidence in an episode about a "penis-mouse". They've referenced random things before, so it could be possible. -Roger (talk) 02:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Well yes it could be for some unknown reason, but as I said earlier in the discussion, it can't be added without a proper source or obvious reference, so for now it shouldn't be included in the article. Ttony21 (talk) 02:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

There was no actual reference to reggae music in the episode, so it's very unlikely, if not impossible. Phoenix1304 (talk) 15:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Trivia Section

The trivia section should be integrated into the article. Also, Cartman parodies Edward James Olmos' character from "Stand and Deliver" not Take the Lead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moja09 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I know this is an ongoing battle with the South Park pages, but I think that this is a case where the trivia/cultural references section adds to the quality of the article. Just reading a synopsis is boring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.31.102.2 (talk) 16:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Cultural References is another way of saying trivia. A list of obscure unsourced references does not add quality. If there is a significant reaction to part or whole episodes, that deserves a special small section with references. For example, "Trapped in the Closet" is perfect because of the unusual outcry that episode caused. No such thing here. Professor Chaos (talk) 02:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, that's what I come here for to read after watching each episode. It's such a big part of what South Park is that it's really weird to try and forbid it. It could probably be worked into the main test, but with substantial loss of clarity and easy of use. But since the rules are black-and-white for any topic and any page... *sigh* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.188.194.221 (talk) 22:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

It's ridiculous, every single episode anonymous IPs complain about this like it is a huge tragedy if some obscure reference to a movie is not included in the Wikipedia entry for the episode. There are plenty of other sites to discuss trivia, TV.com being one of them. I too enjoy getting that the mouse was referencing An American Tail but big deal if it is not in Wikipedia. There is a specific reason why trivia is not allowed on Wikipedia so if you want that changed maybe you should register an account to get the ball rolling. Strongsauce (talk) 22:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

If you want instant trivia, go to a forum or discussion board on South Park. This is not the place for it. Professor Chaos (talk) 02:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

It's a sign of Wikipedia's popularity. It's such a habit to just come here that it's wanted here. Unfortunately it's unencyclopedic. And also reading plots just after having viewed the episode is supposed to be boring. Maybe there's some popular South Park Wiki with all the "fun" details that would be more appropriate to link to at the end of each episode here? Nastajus (talk) 01:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

If the articles didn't at least mention some of the cultural references in the episodes, then what point would the articles serve? The plot section would serve no real purpose and these pages would just be a waste of space on Wikipedia. You might as well delete every one of these pages except for the ones that were important to the series or were surrounded with controvery like the Trapped in the Closet. Ttony21 (talk) 16:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

In most cases, individual articles for most episodes should not exist: WP:N and WP:V: "If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." -- The Red Pen of Doom 15:01, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Stand and Deliver

Theres, a reference to the movie Stand and Deliver with Edward Olmos which they fail to mention in the cultural references. If changed please give me credit for the discovery. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.176.29 (talk) 21:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

This is possibly the funniest thing I've read on these pages. How do we give you credit when you're anonymous? Professor Chaos (talk) 02:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Coach Carter? Stand and Deliver?

I think they were parodying the movie 'Coach Carter'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.94.155.40 (talk) 07:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

No, take a look at Cartman's appearance and Jaime Escalante in Stand and Deliver. Then you can't argue it any more, because you'll know it's not Coach Carter. Professor Chaos (talk) 02:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

There is a formula to all those movies, true story or not, which is why it seems to resemble plots of multiple movies. This just shows the lack of imagination in Hollywood today. No, the obvious reference is to "Stand and Deliver," which somewhat set the trend for all those movies. The clues are in Cartman's appearance, with the same accent, baldness, clothing and attitude of Jaime Escalante in that movie. The basketball scene may be a slight reference to Coach Carter (I don't know, I have no plans to ever see that movie), but you'd need proof before it'll stay in the article. The obvious reference is "Stand and Deliver," but we should cite that, too. Professor Chaos (talk) 20:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I actually had to watch Coach Carter and I would say there is absolutely no reference to that movie. Stand and Deliver is the most obvious one. --SangP (talk) 23:45, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was Boston Public, but "inner city high school"-type media's all around TV/film. ~ Wapiko (talk) 03:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

And without a Source, all this is original research and none of wikipedia's editor's conjectures on the inspriation/target of parody are allowed to be included in the article. -- The Red Pen of Doom 15:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't make sense, because it is obvious. They parody everything from Mickey Mouse to Barack Obama that is just as obvious, do you need sources for that? Splent (talk) 04:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Singing mouse

The scene of the mouse singing under the full moon on a fence seems to be a reference to Lady and the tramp. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.74.194.6 (talk) 20:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You are wrong. It is from An American Tale. In that movie, a mouse sings a song with almost the same melody and lyrics under a large moon. Lady and the Tramp is about dogs. Professor Chaos (talk) 02:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)