Talk:Ein ad-Duyuk at-Tahta
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we're pretending there's an Ein ad-... and ...at-Tahta on this name when the official maps and the Arabic here just say Duyuk? — LlywelynII 22:35, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Comment moved here from User_talk:Huldra at their request, for those who don't understand how close these villages are:
- If you got confused by thinking 3 km was a long distance, here's a map helping to see exactly how close all these places actually are to one another and how they are all sharing the same general name around. Notice in particular how the cartographer thinks that DUYŪK is the general name for the foot of Jebel Quruntul that got picked up by two separate springs, one to the northeast and one to the southeast. I'm not sure he's right about that but these places are absolutely adjacent; the locals just call them Duyuk; the longer names are just useful for WP:NATURALDAB and not because they are the WP:COMMON names; and... most importantly, never blanket revert improvements and expansions to an article. I'm not a newbie so I can't be bitten but it's incredibly rude and WP:POINTy. You're wrong here, but in the future even if you are right, if there's just some little point that needs working on, fix that instead.
- Cheers and thanks for keeping an eye on these pages!
— LlywelynII 23:42, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Are you mixing up this place and Ein ad-Duyuk al-Foqa? Huldra (talk) 23:45, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Palestinian Authority maps and OHCA maps show Ein ad Duyuk al Fauqa and Ein ad Duyuk at Tahta separately. The separate population figures from PCBS on these pages also indicates separate existence, though the most recent table I can find just has عِيْن الدْيوك الفُوقا (Ein ad Duyuk al Fauqa). I read in a few places that Ein ad Duyuk at Tahta is a "recently amended neighborhood of Jericho" but don't understand that and wonder if "amended" is a mistranslation of "incorporated". If Ein ad Duyuk at Tahta is now officially part of Jericho, that would explain why it isn't listed separately by PCBS. I found a regional development plan from 2006 recommending the incorporation of Ein ad Duyuk at Tahta into Jericho (the built-up areas are contiguous) but I haven't been able to find documentation that it happened. Zerotalk 08:27, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Also, here are results from the 2006 PA elections, showing the two Duyuks separately. The ARIJ profile of Jericho mentions that Ein ad Duyuk al Fauqa and Ad Nuwei'ma were merged into one local council, which makes sense as they are adjacent, and not adjacent to Ein ad Duyuk at Tahta. Zerotalk 08:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
ARIH profile of Ein ad Duyuk al Fauqa and Ad Nuwei'ma confirms merger into one local council in 1994 (p11). There is also a map which shows the local council stopping well north of Ein ad Duyuk at Tahta. A location map is here. Currently I see no reason to call both locations merely "Duyuk", especially as they are administratively separate. What the locals call it (for which we have no source anyway) is not much relevant to WP:COMMONNAME; otherwise we would have articles named Roma and Moskva. Zerotalk 10:25, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
The map on page 4 of the ARIJ Jericho profile shows Ein ad Duyuk at Tahta within the Jericho town boundary and Ein ad Duyuk al Fauqa outside it. So my analysis was correct. What remains is to determine when it was incorporated into Jericho. Zerotalk 10:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi. I have probably rushed to start a discussion at Talk:Ein ad-Duyuk al-Foqa#Spring: at which village? (pls check there), because looking at this page it seems almost sure that that's the old site with the spring, not this one. But this must be clearly stated on both pages, and it isn't.
- Is this a modern-only settlement? Established when exactly? It's missing and would solve the confusion re the site with ancient history to it. Thanks! Arminden (talk) 15:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)