Talk:El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron

Konami

Did Konami distribute this game or not I see news saying they would but nothing saying that happened so just not sure.Nbisbo (talk) 22:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Lucifel/Lucifer

Just commenting on the last edit. Lucifer comes from Latin "Lux" and "-fer", literally: "Light bearer". Lucifel makes no sense, heh. If they wanted to combine Latin with the Hebrew El, "Luciel" would have been better. And there is already actually an angel with the intended name - Uri'el (also spelled Oriel, Auriel), from Hebrew "God is my light". But Google concurs. :P Spelling is correctly Lucifel.--Obsidi♠n^Soul 13:26, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Correctly as in: The English version of the game? Japanese Romaji transliteration doesn't use "l". (because the Japanese language doesn't distinguish between /r/ and /l/.) -- megA (talk) 08:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes and no. While Romaji ambiguously pronounces r and l in Japanese, they are usually transliterated correctly in English versions. The '-el' ending in here is deliberate not a result of transliteration. Apparently it's an attempt at emulating the Hebrew names of angels (which usually ends with an '-el', meaning 'God'). Hence Lucifel/Lucifael cf. Raphael, Michael, Gabriel, etc. It's not really a problem though, LOL, just commenting on it because people who think the '-el' ending is from Romaji will still probably try to 'correct' it as 'Lucifer'. :P - Obsidi♠n^Soul 11:01, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Lucifel is Lucifer before the fall "el" as he is as of yet not corrupt. It has been done in multiple japanese media works that deal with angels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.187.129 (talk) 11:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. And it's wrong Latin. :P -- Obsidi♠n Soul 11:54, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Plot Summary?

Why is there no in-depth plot summary? I don't have the game myself so I can't add one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.180.224.100 (talk) 19:28, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

References

References that can be used in the article. There are so many that the usual "useful refs" table will not do, so here they are: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32. I know it's rather a lot, but they are here now. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:31, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Sales place source, first week in Japan. --ProtoDrake (talk) 18:00, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Tintor2 (talk · contribs) 22:49, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

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I'll be reviewing the article in exchange from Protodrake's review.Tintor2 (talk) 22:49, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   c. (OR):

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

@ProtoDrake:

Lead

• I'd suggest giving Enoch a proper introduction in both the lead and his first mention in the body. I think only readers of the original book would understand where is based on.
  • Did my best here, described him as an "immortal scribe" as trying to describe him further's gonna get very wordy.
• The lead is kinda small for so much content. I would suggest the first one to be focused on the narrative and gameplay, the second one on its development and the third one its reception and legacy.
  • Expanded a bit.

Gameplay

• First mention of Enoch needs an introduction.
  • Again, did my best without being too wordy.
• How unique is the use of a motorbike when compared to the other levels? You mean exploration of levels are done through the bike?
  • I've clarified. It's one single setpiece, but it's mentioned in reviews enough that it seemed notable to include. And setpieces like this are brought up in development.
• I have no problems with the boss image but I would suggest one on a typical stage too if possible like what is the health bar.
  • Couldn't find any images of the second playthough where traditional HUD/UI is available.

Synopsis

• The Grigoris could be introduced all together like "Semyaza who leads the" in a single sentence.
  • Did my best here.
• Not an expert in but can one sentence be reworded as "across the game" and then Enoch. I'm kinda lost what is the premise and Enoch does ever since the first level.
  • Sorry about these instances. Did my best, but the story style is extremely esoteric. Just an example, the travelling for 300 years bit is dealt with in...a single side-scrolling level with narration and background art.

Audio.

• Just as suggestion but there is a free image for the actor of Enoch even if he is kinda silent.
  • Used one of Isaacs.

Reception

• There are some repeated words due to the focus "X said this" like storytelling.
  • Did my best to tweak things here.
• "Reception was generally positive, with most critics focusing praise on its visual design and variety.[86]" This seems like more fitting introduction to the final paragraph of the critical response due the content.
  • I was using that as a follow-up to the metacriric stuff, and the "variety" bit's about the gameplay. I've specified that now. --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:46, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

That's all. While the reception could be toned down in generalizations, it's in good state for a GA. Just revise this and I'll gladly pass it.Tintor2 (talk) 23:48, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tintor2: Did my best with your points above. --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:46, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Passing the review. Good workTintor2 (talk) 13:35, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 21:14, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that production for El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron lasted for four years with the development team going from 4 people to 120-130 people? Source: http://www.1up.com/news/shaddai-producer-offers-glimpse-curtain , https://web.archive.org/web/20180728165018/https://www.gamebusiness.jp/article/2011/06/28/3912.html
  • ALT1: ... that five different middlewares were used to take pressure off the staff working on El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron, a rarity in Japanese development at the time? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20180728165018/https://www.gamebusiness.jp/article/2011/06/28/3912.html
  • ALT2: ... that Japanese voice actors were added to El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron to appeal to a domestic audience with them being chosen based on their voices sounding "foreign"? Source: https://www.4gamer.net/games/109/G010992/20110325048/
  • ALT2a: ... that Japanese voice actors were added to El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron to appeal to a domestic audience, with them being chosen based on their voices sounding "foreign"? Source: https://www.4gamer.net/games/109/G010992/20110325048/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Boudica

Improved to Good Article status by ProtoDrake (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 16:48, 30 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: GA finalised on the day it was submitted, so AOK there, and far more than long enough, a very comprehensive work-up on the topic. Lots of referencing, fine citation in general, as you'd expect from a piece that made it through GA review in quick time - BUT the two paragraphs, added in response to a GA review point, of Synopsis, are uncited - I'm sure this can be quickly fixed. No past DYK found, no copyvio (a couple of 10.x%s relate to company and game names). Hook citations as required on the first two, with the third being in a sentence structure that needed a tiny copyedit and merge anyway. Alt 0 is solid though unexciting - 4 years sounds long to a lay audience, as does the growth from 4 to 120+, but neither is actually so exceptional. Alt1 is interesting to those who know IT / software development, but the average reader might go "what's middleware" or "is use of 5 middlewares unusual" (it is, but...)? Alt2 is solid for interest, but probably we need an Alt2a with a comma after "audience". So, a fine article, at least one hook potential (I would approve both Alt0 and Alt2), but that citation fix needed, and if any more hooks can be found, great. SeoR (talk) 00:44, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

• @Onegreatjoke: can the issues be addressed within a week? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 15:43, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@SeoR: Can't find much more hooks, though they're not needed if your fine approving them. By the way, the synopsis doesn't need citations per MOS:PLOTCITE. Onegreatjoke (talk) 13:47, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Meant to say MOS:PLOTSOURCE Onegreatjoke (talk) 13:48, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Onegreatjoke, sorry to understand you're having access issues, and noted re. PLOTSOURCE (while citations are still preferred, having read through supplementary rules, I don't see a blocking factor here). I'm sorting that comma with Alt2a, and approving. SeoR (talk) 00:23, 28 April 2023 (UTC)