Talk:Electric Café

Karl Bartos on vocals

I don't know who the anonymous login-less moron is who keeps vandalising this article. Please stop, eh?

Karl Bartos sang lead vocals on Der Telefon Anruf ("The Telephone Call")

This can be easily checked by:

(a) LISTENING to it (his different vocal sound is quite obvious in comparison with Ralf or Florian)

(b) reading books such as "Ich war ein Roboter" by Wolfgang Flür, or Pascal Bussy's Kraftwerk book.

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This could also be verified by listening to Karl Bartos's own album Communication, in which he sings on some tracks. It is clearly the same voice that sings The Telephone Call. -#371

In the light of recent events, it could be Ralf Hütter who keeps vandalising it! lol --feline1 (talk) 22:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Merge English & Spanish release's tracklists?

Please look at the tracklist. It is IDENTICAL. With the original information text left in, this would just look fine to me. Any objections? -andy 80.129.112.246 14:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Why didn't you merge? All three track listings are identical. I have merged them. If you object, please state reasons (don't just revert).--Iacobus 02:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

It looks OK, as the footnote explains enough about the difference between English & Spanish versions. Ricadus 16:57, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Tracklist for 2009 Techno Pop

Concerning the section on the 2009 re-issue version of the album only, should this list dispense with Side One/Side Two subheadings to acknowledge that vinyl is now no longer the primary format for supplying recordings to the market? The wikipedia articles for other albums issued during the 'digital' era don't use them (The Mix, Tour de France Soundtracks) yet these albums were also issued in vinyl form. Ricadus (talk) 20:18, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

No accent on the title?

The cover art doesn't display an acute "é" on "Cafe", but for some reason the article does? For the sake accuracy, the accent should be omitted. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:17, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

It's just one of those typographic conventions - a lot of fonts don't have accents on capital letters. But wikipedia articles don't reproduce the typography of album artwork, they just use the actual name. There's no such word as "cafe", it's "café" - however it's printed as CAFE on the album cover. Likewise the bandname does not appear in the article in blcok capitals. --feline1 (talk) 22:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Four years later, and nobody else has contested this or even commented. Unless WP's technical trickery kicks in, I'm moving this article myself—right now. A typographic convention ("Café" → "Cafe" for accuracy) is not the same as going against WP:MOS by verbatim reproducing case (e.g. "KRAFTWERK"). Mac Dreamstate (talk) 17:33, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

.. Which it did, so I've requested a technical move. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 17:38, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

• Kraftwerk: Publikation 1783236183 David Buckley - 2015 "Ralf Dörper was disappointed in the result, once Electric Café was finished"
• Kraftwerk: Music Non-Stop - Page 112 1441191364 Sean Albiez, ‎David Pattie - 2011 "Electric Café, the album that followed Computer World, had various working titles including Techno-Pop."
• 80s Chart-Toppers: Every Chart-Topper Tells a Story 1780574118 Sharon Davis - 2012 "This title was their last charting single until 1991, when EMI Records issued the album Electric Café, a Top 60 entrant."
• Techno Rebels: The Renegades of Electronic Funk 0814337120 Dan Sicko - 2010 "By the time Electric Café was released in 1986, Americans were well versed in Kraftwerk, thanks to adventurous radio ..."
• Lady Gaga and Popular Music 1134079877 Martin Iddon, ‎Melanie L. Marshall - 2014 " As an album, Electric Café (rereleased in 2009 under its original title, Techno Pop) was the first Kraftwerk LP to be ..."
• Stripped: Depeche Mode 0857120263 Jonathan Miller - 2009 "Because of Kervorkian's remix work on Kraftwerk's 1986 album, Electric Café, it was inevitable that 'Personal Jesus' inherited ..."
• Digital Arts: An Introduction to New Media 1780933215 Cat Hope, ‎John Charles Ryan - 2014 "Emmy Award winning animator Rebecca Allen's music video for Kraftwerk's Musique NonStop (1986), from their album Electric Café, explored new facial animation software to create animated versions of the band members "

....and so on; in other words reliable printed sources use the full spelling. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:28, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

And in other words, the cover art uses no accent. Why go with an inaccuracy reproduced by mainstream media, however "reliable" they may be? Furthermore, MOS:FR states to "Use English title when well-known". Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:39, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

That's right, which is why we don't follow cover art in such cases. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:42, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Please point me to that rule on WP. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:44, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

As I said on the Megadeth album talk page, maybe look at the WP:MOSTM guideline and then surf through Japanese album categories, that should hopefully provide some context. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:47, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Fairlight CMI and modular synths

Kraftwerk never used modular systems on any of their recordings - the only modular unit was Doepfer A100 which was used by Florian on tour'98. Fairlight CMI also never existed in their arsenal. From 1983 to 1986 they sampled with the pre-production Emulator II. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.223.104.106 (talk) 13:27, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Release date? This is wrong

I bought this album at the end of October 1986 (in the UK). It had been out at least a week. It must have been out earlier still in other territories.

Is this a bootleg version of Techno Pop?

Even if it is, I still love it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djNorx3qsEE

Could it be a remix by Ralf Hutter? I could have sworn to read that he remixed Techno Pop once. --84.105.83.223 (talk) 12:53, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 01 January 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. No support, opposition soundly based on current policy, request withdrawn. Andrewa (talk) 11:11, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

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Electric Café → Electric Cafe – Accuracy again, per album front cover; no accent present. No objection at talk page since 2012. – Mac Dreamstate (talk) 17:36, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:23, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

• @Mac Dreamstate and In ictu oculi: Doesn't appear to be accurate, printed sources have the accent - see Sean Albiez & ‎David Pattie 2011, David Buckley 2015 etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:22, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose - per hefty list of English hardback books above, plus German books and de.wp (it's a German album). And again WP:FRMOS given that the title song "Electric Café" has what little lyrics it has in French. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:59, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
• Comments – but the front cover does not have an accent; simple as. That a myriad of books and sources have retroactively introduced it should not be grounds to do away with accuracy when displaying the title on WP—the front cover is right there, in plain view, and has no accent. It's not like WP has retroactively introduced an accent to articles like The Cafe, "The Cafe", or World Cafe, just because "café" is a French word, or based on some hazy guidelines on WP:FRMOS. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:31, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose – the lack of acute accent on the all-caps title on the album cover is easily explained by the typographical convention of omitting accents from caps. It is not evidence for spelling cafe without an accent, which is perfectly conventional in English as well as French. Dicklyon (talk) 17:52, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Comment – But the printed material chose to spell it without an accent, so why shouldn't we? By that exact logic you've pointed out, "À Tout le Monde" (which does not have an accent anywhere on printed material), should follow said typographic convention and omit the accent, as it falls on a capital. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 17:56, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

As far as I know, WP has not decided to follow that particular typographical convention. If it were universal, the capital-A-with-grave-accent wouldn't even need to exist, and we wouldn't be talking about that one. Generally, we put more weight on reliable secondary sources than on primary sources such as artwork and signs. Dicklyon (talk) 06:56, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

The latter I know, but in this case the primary source differs visually to that of the "reliable" secondary sources—the latter have retroactively added content that simply was not there; something which does not fall under WP:MOSTM. In which case, this is looking like the wrong place to discuss grievances with WP policy; I withdraw the move request. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 12:05, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

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