Talk:Elgin, Moray

City

note that Elgin is not generally considered a city (except possibly by its inhabitants).

But it is

thatll be news to the football team then Elgin CITY!!! football club as the SFA officially knows them. just looked at the scottish tourist information site - "city of Elgin" it calls it.

Please note that Elgin falls within common Scottish ideas that if a town contains a church with two spires, then it may be called a city. The- although crumbling cathedral allows for this verification for Elgin city. As for the inhabitants- we all thought it was more of a town when I was born and raised there until it has become much larger today — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.104.126 (talk) 11:46, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Clearances

as for someone wanting a source on large chunks of the population being shipped off to canada, just google for the highland clearances. elgin castle WAS demolished after the 1745 jacobite rebellion, i never said it was used before then. just because it was derelict that didnt mean it wasnt partially defensible and a threat.

are you saying a large chunk of the population of elgin was shipped off to canada as part of the clearances or is your definition of local area less specific. I havent found any references to forcible deportations from elgin on google or elsewhere and would love to find out a bit more. do these online sources you point us at have backup or are they just quoting each other.

yeah, check out about the duke of gordon, there's a statue to him, but he was a big fan in deporting people from his land. that said, elgin wasnt ravaged by the highland clearances after the jacobite rebellion had been forgotten. deportations took place in the immediate period afterwards.jacobite political sympathisers WERE arrested en masse in both elgin and inverness. many were hung, and the rest... well plenty were sent to the colonies. you will find multiple sources referring to the road between elgin and inverness (now the a96) and what happened along there.

Well, that wasn't what was asked for. Elgin was not affected by the Highland Clearances. There may have been jacobites arrested there after the 45 - but that happened all over Scotland, and even in England. The clearances were an early 19th C phenomenon, affecting areas where sheep were introduced to replace crofting - which certainly did not happen in or around Elgin. The population of Moray did start to fall in the late 19th C - in common with rural areas throughout Britain and Ireland.

Moray

Morayshire and Moray council area cover greatly different areas; I think that both categories are appropriate. 80.255 01:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

The county name, to its current inhabitants at least is Morayshire with Elginshire being something of an anachronism and this should probably be reflected in text.

Notable citizens section bloat

The Notable citizens section of the article is IMO getting over-big and is way to dense to be comfortable reading. Can I recommend the following changes be made / principles folloed:

• If they're notable enough to be listed, they're notable to have their own article. Several articles could be spawned from the present text.
• Provide single line descriptions only; two sentences at maxiumum. The Archbishop is the current archbishop of Glasgow. We do not need the full life history here: there's a separate article on the man if we want the whole nine yards.

The article is abot Elgin. 25% of the text of the article is dedicated to descriptions of people, not Elgin. The people should be described within their own articles, not here.

I may come back & implement the above, but thought I'd put it up for discussion first. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

• Hello Simon, agree entirely. Considering its the least important section in the article (IMO), its getting a bit silly. The last three entries are people who have no connection with Elgin apart from being related to one entry. I'll do a cull, cheers. --Bill Reid | Talk 08:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

• • I'd urge for even more concision, given that in most cases there's a full article for the person. So the first few entries might be:

• Archbishop Mario Joseph Conti, born 20 March 1934 in Elgin, is the current Archbishop of Glasgow, in Scotland.
• Steven John Pressley, born 11 October 1973 in Elgin is a Scottish international footballer currently playing for Celtic in the Scottish Premier League.
• General Andrew Anderson (1747 – 1824) Major General in the army of the Honourable East India Company, benefactor of the town.
• Dr Alexander Gray (d 1807), surgeon for the East India Company. His will was contested by his family, but eventually his bequest of £26,000 'for the establishment of a hospital in the town of Elgin for the sick and poor of the county of Murray (Moray)' was proven in the Court of Chancery, and work on building the hospital took place between 1815 and 1818. The hospital opened on 1 January 1819.
• Lt William Rennie, (1822 – 1887) 90th Perthshire Light Infantry, awarded Victoria Cross at Lucknow during Indian Mutiny, 1857

Also I'd urge that names are not emboldened, fullstop. --Tagishsimon (talk)

• • Go on, then. I don't own it. --Bill Reid | Talk 11:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
    • I'm consulting...;) --Tagishsimon (talk)

A name for removal as of insufficient significance for an encyclopaedia. Who is Joe Lennon, a musician born in Elgin in 1940? I can't find anything about him on Google. There is a Joe Lennon from Elgin, Illinois, USA, although I think he was born later and there is a much younger musician from Glasgow of the name.truthordare (talk) 20:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Pronunciation

How do you pronounce the name of this city? Is the g hard as in goat or soft as in gem? -Rrius (talk) 03:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Definitely goat. --Bill Reid | Talk 11:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. -Rrius (talk) 20:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe that should be included in the article as useful information. (barduri)

Name of the dialect or language used in Elgin

In the film "Brave", the actor Kevin McKidd, from Elgin, uses a dialect or language from this area, that's uninteligible to persons that understand only english. Could someone, please, write something about it or give a link to an article about that language? Thank you. 95.93.142.130 (talk) 01:57, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

McKidd was using the Scots language but deliberately tried to make it unintelligible by speaking very quickly. Anyone from the NE of Scotland would still have understood though. Bill Reid | (talk) 10:40, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

relatively mild winters?

Looking at the temperature chart, I should this it gets bone-chilling cold in winter! Are you certain that "mild" is the word? Was this article written by a Siberian? (EnochBethany (talk) 04:39, 19 March 2014 (UTC))

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i think that Elgin can stand a good chance of acquiring B status, if certain things, like for instance, adding more references; spilting the history section into sub-sections (with one for the birth of the cathedral with a link onto that page); removing the culture and leisure section and the list of churches in the religion section with a complete re-write for the latter. plus adding a town centre section/sub-section and sorting out the the info in the box Kilnburn (talk) 13:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

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Plainstones

My suggestion. Thx

Add text to describe and highlight the Plainstones. Add hyperlink.

A more spacious market area for traders was created when the Plainstones were laid out in 1787. However, it wasn’t until 1851 that, with the building of the New Market, traders had the benefit of a covered market.

https://www.bestofmorayspeyside.com/castle-to-cathedral-to-cashmere/ Killoh (talk) 03:37, 14 January 2021 (UTC) Killoh (talk) 03:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)