Talk:Eliana Rubashkyn

Statelessness

I'm a little bit confused as to how she became stateless. The article simply says "her citizenship was withdrawn" but doesn't elaborate at all. I'm not familiar with Colombian nationality law, but is this a common occurrence? On what basis did the withdrawal of citizenship occur? More context would be useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.255.97.189 (talk) 02:47, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Likewise, on what basis did she receive refugee status? Kaihsu (talk) 19:20, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

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Why didn't she seek Israeli citizenship?

She's Jewish under Jewish law (having been born to a Jewish mom) so why didn't she look for Israeli citizenship? [[User:Rickyrab2|Rickyrab (2nd account)!]] | [[Talk:Rickyrab2| yada yada yada]] (old page: [[User:Rickyrab]]) (talk) 17:08, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure why she didn't seek Israeli citizenship, but please take note of WP:FORUM. michael60634 / talk / contributions 18:04, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Evidence of being a pharmacist or chemist?

There doesn't seem to be any evidence that Eliana is a pharmacist, in New Zealand or anywhere. The only way we know this is from Eliana's own words given to the press, which shouldn't be sufficient evidence. One of the articles cited as evidence doesn't even mention anything pharmacy-related. As of now this page reads like a personal biography written by this individual, or a close friend/fan. Dlobr (talk) 21:30, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

The Pharmacy Today article refers to her as a Pharmacist. It's paywalled, but if you have access to the journal it says "About 370 pharmacies currently stock Vapix, but uptake in pharmacies has not been as successful as the company hoped, admits pharmacist and chief scientist at Myriad Pharmaceuticals, Eliana Rubashkyn."

re: the claim that it reads like a close friend/fan wrote it, feel free to flag where you think that this is true. You can view the edit history and see that a wide range of people have edited it. Nauseous Man (talk) 21:48, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I've just seen references of others contacting the New Zealand pharmacy guild & being informed that this individual is not a licensed pharmacist, & has never been in New Zealand at least. It doesn't appear this person has ever worked as a licensed pharmacist while they have lived in New Zealand, which has been years. Happy to be corrected, & I agree that if we could get through that paywall it would resolve much of the concern. Dlobr (talk) 22:27, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

I guess I would be cautious about taking too much about what others are saying - in Aotearoa New Zealand you can be a pharmacist without being a registered pharmacist. Registered pharmacists, as far as I'm aware, are those who dispense drugs in pharmacies (which have to be licensed), whilst that article makes it sound like she's a pharmacist who makes the pharmaceuticals (rather than dispensing them). Here's a link to the Pharmacy Today article (I have access through my Institution's library): https://www.pharmacytoday.co.nz/article/ministry-seeks-feedback-draft-vaping-regulations-while-pharmacy-sales-slow

Here's another reference from the same publication: https://www.pharmacytoday.co.nz/article/news/planet-vapes-products-now-selling-200-pharm-acies

I'm afraid I wouldn't have the foggiest on how to get around the paywall otherwise, so I guess this is a test of good faith that it does say what I'm claiming... Nauseous Man (talk) 22:48, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

First I'd note that per WP:Paywall, it doesn't matter if the source is paywalled. If it's an RS and some editor in good standing with access has confirmed it supports what we're saying then it's fine to use it as a source. Editors who are unable to get around the paywall are free to ask for a quotation if they have some doubts, and if that still doesn't satisfy them they could ask WP:REREQ for a full copy. They cannot remove some detail just because they don't have access to the paywalled source. Also I would note that the Pharmacy Guild doesn't licence pharmacists in New Zealand [1]. So anyone contacting the Pharmacy Guild is unlikely to receive such a response, and this is also demonstrates one reason why OR is such a terrible idea anyway. The Pharmacy Council [2] does register pharmacists in New Zealand and their register is publicly searchable online so frankly I don't know why anyone would contact them. But anyway whether you search online or even if you ask them, I'm fairly sure they'll only tell you information on the public register. And so all they are likely to tell anyone asking is they don't have that anyone by that name on the register. I think it's unlikely they will tell you a specific person is not a licenced pharmacist since that will require them to be sure what name the person may be registered under. Likewise for anyone searching themselves. So another reason why OR is a bad idea. Now if someone is incorrectly passing themselves off as a registered pharmacist, they might investigate that and take action and perhaps in certain circumstances e.g. if the person lives outside NZ and continues to pas themselves off as a registered pharmacist in NZ, eventually even make a statement disavowing this. But this is likely to be a lengthy process and the person providing the information is unlikely to receive significant updates on it. Nil Einne (talk) 11:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

The reference for the sentence on the Grace Millane case says she is a pharmacist, but her surname in that source is Golberstein.[3] That surname is referenced in the infobox.-gadfium 03:58, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Testimony

It is a trivial mention of Eliana that is not connected to by any other source. There is no weight established or any relevance. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Is this in reference to the Grace Millane mention? It seems to me it's generally interesting and relevant to Rubashkyn's public history as it was widely reported by numerous sources. I don't see how it's irrelevant in a biographical article and at the very least it's useful in establishing she was a practicing pharmacist. Melonbob (talk) 01:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Testifying at a trial is relevant to being a public activist? This is not mentioned outside of articles on the trial itself. If the only source for Eliana being a pharmacist is this one then it isn't relevant/due. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:25, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't follow, why would we omit things that aren't specifically about her public activism when there are multiple aspects to this person? This information was in the biography section and establishes her life and background. Melonbob (talk) 05:09, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Because articles are meant to be based off secondary coverage. The fact there is no other coverage and you have to make a connection yourself suggests such information isn't WP:DUE.

It doesn't even state she was a pharmacist, because it isn't about her in anyway, it is just about the testimony. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Would you be inclined to accept it if more citations were provided? It's been widely covered by other sources. Melonbob (talk) 06:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

If a source that isn't about the trial itself reported that would be a different story. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)