Talk:Eliza Meek

Minor clean-up

Feel free to respond to my recent edits. Zppix did a good job of the C/E but there was some minor things left behind that I have attempted to clean up. Cheers, Drcrazy102 (talk) 01:10, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Dubious claim

Before her relationsip with Lunalilo, Eliza was the wife of Kauikeaouli (King Kamehameha III). They were married in 1843 and had issue, a son, John Meek "Jack" Kalawaia

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{according to Kamehameha Schools Bishop Estate Genealogy Exhibit 185 & Hawaii State Archives Nanaulu Geneaology} See also Hawaii archives showing that the King and Queen got married in 1843. This is Eliza Meek and Kamehameha III. This is a certified copy of Page 1 of M-1 l Marriage Record Book of Rev. EW.Clark, Wailuku from the Vital Statistics Collection. Exhibit 197[1]

I am removing this. This can be restored with a reliable secondary sources published by a legitimate institution not family hearsay and nonverifiable documents. What we have here is a dubious claim being made by the descendants at best (a family legend)? As for the Hawaii State Archives documentation, please scan and email me a copy if you can of the documents in question; I doubt they list "Eliza Meek" marrying King Kamehameha III. My strong adversion to this is that it is not substantiated in any 19th or early 29th century primary sources (newspapers or personal writings of notable chiefs and foreign residents who would have found it odd that the king was marrying a 11-year old girl when he had a living adult wife Queen Kalama who remained his wife and queen until his death so how does one have another marriage. We know he had at least two known mistresses Julia Alapai and Jane Lahilahi and we knew about these personal parts of their lives because courts gossips and people who witnessed these actual relationships. Eliza and Kamehameha are never connected in primary sources, as far as can be seen at the moment. If either Eliza married the king or Kalawaia was the king's son, we would see reliable primary sources for these connections. Here is where I do find this claim: that interview you cited from a descendant, findagrave (unreliable), and genealogy sites (unreliable). The only addition that should be mentioned, I can see is maybe a footnote citing her descendants believe these things but we cannot treat it as a fact. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:26, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Also as for John Meek "Jack" Kalawaia: the Meek family member who died on May 7, 1891 was a half-brother of Eliza and Richard Meek and son of Captain Meek. See: his obituary.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:50, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Photo of Eliza Meek

I have a photo of Eliza Meek from 1880's, she is in a Pa'u dress skirt with a Paniolo Saddle by her feet, for more info you contact me at mfklee62@aol.com,...Mahalo 98.150.138.21 (talk) 06:27, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Pāʻū rider in an undated photo taken by A. A. Montano

If you are talking about the photographs on the right, then I do not think so. Eliza Meek would have been in her 40s or 50s by this time and the woman in the photograph looks like she is in her 20s. Also this is from a series of photograph by A. A. Montano in the Hawaii State Archives and there is no information on the identities of most of the women he photographed. The association seems to come from a tumblr post where even the post itself states that the figure is an unidentified pau rider. KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:11, 7 January 2022 (UTC)