Talk:Elizaveta Glinka

Can anyone add some more info?

English sources don't specify things such as: name and year of the documentary, name and exact date of the state award. Also, I wonder if Spravedlivaya Pomoshch would be notable and should be at lest redlinked? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:43, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Currently this Wikipedia article uses RT International as its main source. RT International is most interested in making Putin look good and (therefore) will not say anything bad about Miss Glinka. More non-Russian (originated) neutral sources are needed here. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 16:46, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Why should anybody say anything bad about her? She was saving lives and helped sick and poor. Francois (talk) 06:54, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Uh, politics? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:57, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

NPOV

I want to thank User:AveTory for drawing attention to the NPOV issues here. It is important to note that Glinka was a supporter of the Putin regime, although it is clear she has been later used by its propaganda. It's good we removed the propaganda note about her allegedly saying 'there have been no Russian troops in Ukraine'. While I cannot find English sources right now, I found an article in a mainsteam, reliable Polish newspaper ([1]) which notes a number of facts. First, that this statement resulted in a controversy, as it was twisted by the propaganda: her statement that (mind I am retranslating a translation here...) "I have personally not seen any Russian troops there, but those are just my own observations" has been twisted to "Regardless of what people like, I can confirm based on my regular visits to the region that there are no Russian troops there". It seems this was discussed in media, she was criticized, requested and got a correction. Further, the article notes she supported anti-Putin opposition in early 2010s, speaking publicly at public gatherings, and she entered some organizations called in Polish 'Liga Wyborców' (couldn't find English name), which resulted in the government sending financial controls to the Fair Aid and freezing their financial assets for a while, preventing them from receiving donations. Later, when she started being active in the Ukrainian civil war, it seems that the government decided to work with her and promote her as a Russian hero. We definitely need more sources on this, but given the Russian propaganda these days, we need to be careful to ensure neutrality, and that this is not propaganda-washed to make her some Putin supporter (as there was clearly an attempt to do so by misquoting her on the Russian forces in Ukraine, a topic of little relevance to this article anyway). PS. I will ping User:My very best wishes and User:Volunteer Marek, who I believe have more experience with the neutrality in this context, and may be able to find sources I missed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:57, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

• Indeed, Glinka's words were twisted by the Orthodox website that interviewed her and then changed back after she made a note of it. Although her words about "my own observations" (not an exact quote) belong to another interview that followed, conducted by the Snob magazine. Russian Wikipedia article also have links to the story about the Electorate League (literal translation) that consisted of a number of opposition media figures, called League of Voters by Russian News Agency TASS in its English article, and how Glinka's assets were blocked after that (article by Gazeta.ru). In addition, she became a member of the federal committee of the Civic Platform during the 2012 Presidential Election in Russia, supporting the billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov who ran as an independent candidate. Problem is, there's was indeed little to no coverage of her activism before the armed conflict in Ukraine in English media, so most information could be found in Russian media only. AveTory (talk) 16:14, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

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Metro2fsb (talk) 05:11, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Suggested move to Elizabeth Glinka

I suggest this page be redirected to Elizabeth Glinka the English version. Agree disagree? Metro2fsb (talk) 04:06, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

1. Support, English name for Ms. Glinka Metro2fsb (talk) 05:15, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
2. Agree. I don't think its crucial, but can be done for the sake of anglicisation.—ELindas (talk) 16:00, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I would oppose to that. Both names can be found by Google with a similar frequency, but there is another notable living person with name "Elizabeth Glinka", which may lead to confusion. My very best wishes (talk) 04:15, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

As a side note, I have removed some negative content about her from this page [2] as poorly written and relatively poor sourced. Welcome to fix it better if anyone wants. My very best wishes (talk) 14:49, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Child "abduction"

User:Rsk6400, you reverted my addition of quotation marks here. The current (BBC) source is this which says:

"Her actions in Ukraine brought her the enmity of some on the Ukrainian government side, who went so far as to accuse her of "abducting" children, while she was also criticised in Russia herself for her political views. But tributes were paid to her right across the political spectrum in Russia."

I'm a little uneasy about simply adding the phrase "accused of child abduction" in Wikivoice in the lead section. Perhaps you could suggest some other means of accurately reflecting that source? Or maybe you think that she really did "abduct children"? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Quotation marks mean that text has been copied from the source without changes. "Abducting" is not "abduction". BBC seems to use the quotation marks because they are quoting their sources. We can say in Wikivoice that she has been accused of child abduction, since the accusation did obviously happen. Leaving it as it is means just reporting the accusation, not claiming that the accusation is true. Rsk6400 (talk) 14:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I my view, just reporting the accusation, without any qualification, suggests it probably was true. If you still think it belongs in the lead section, as a fair summary of the entire article, perhaps it would be better to spell out exactly who was making the accusations? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

User:Rsk6400, do you intend that those two sources remain in the lead section? Should they not be removed or relocated as per WP:LEADCITE? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I expanded the "abductrion" blugb in the text with the official Ukrainian statement. Ten years passed, it must be probably known whether any actual legal actions were taken (which were most probably dropped due to her death. But I heard that instead, Vladimir Putin is wanted for Child abductions in the Russo-Ukrainian War. --Altenmann >talk 16:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I am prepared to accept that this detail may be worthy of inclusion in the lead section of this article. I personally would not want to offer the benefit of any doubt to anyone who had collaborated with the Putin regime. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)