Talk:Ellsworth P. Bertholf
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Succession Box
editSomebody who knows how needs to fix the succession box for this article. --TommyBoy 03:23, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I removed the "needs clean up" box, after fixing typos & smoothing the style. Herodotos 02:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Commandant of the Coast Guard lineage
editSee Commandant of the Coast Guard and Talk:United States Revenue Cutter Service for the discussion on the origin and lineage of the office and the number of officeholders. Current Commandant Allen is cited as the 23rd Commandant.[1] If that is so, then Bertholf is number 4, not first. This coincides tracing the lineage of the office of the commandant to the chief of the Revenue Cutter Service, Chief Shepard in 1889.[2] While Commandant Bertholf may have, in fact, been the first commandant of the newly formed Coast Guard in 1915, the office itself pre-dated the Coast Guard in its predecessor entities.--G1076 05:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Coast Guard was the combined creation of the Revenue Cutter Service and the Life-Saving Service. There were separate leaders of each.
Verify date of birth
editI see bday shown as May 7th on this reference: [3]Billymac00 (talk) 23:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Numbering of Commandants of the Coast Guard
editThe numbering of the Commandants of the Coast Guard has caused confusion on several articles dealing with the early Revenue Cutter Service. If one starts with Bertholf as the first Commandant, the numbering is thrown off in his sucessors articles. The Coast Guard starts numbering the Commandants with Shepard, regardless of what the agency was called. This is done to coincide with Shepard being the first military head of the service since before the Civil War. This numbering is the one used by the Coast Guard Historians Office and is the logic used by me to change the articles on Shepard, Shoemaker, Ross, Bertholf et. al. Revisions of articles by me will continue to use numbering used by the Historians Office so as to eliminate confusion to readers of both Wikipedia and the Coast Guard's web site. Cuprum17 (talk) 17:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
- Article has been reverted to first Commandant from fourth Commandant once again. If we are to maintain any consistancy with what the Coast Guard defines as the numbering of the Commandants; then Bertholf was the fourth Commandant. If Admiral Allen is the 23rd Commandant, that makes Bertholf the fourth. If you wish to change this then lets discuss the merits of your numbering system before making rash and confusing changes. Cuprum17 (talk) 00:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- Well, it's happened again and I have reverted it again. Some editors don't read what has been discussed and blindly edit away. If you are going to make a change, then let's hear some reasons and we will discuss it first.Cuprum17 (talk) 23:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
World War I service
editAlthough Bertholf served in the United States Coast Guard during World War I era, no reliable sources found as of yet state that he served overseas during the war. Accordingly, Category:American military personnel of World War I was removed from the article. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 14:15, 6 January 2019 (UTC)