Talk:Embassy of the United States, Saigon

need for improvement

too many details, too little summary in the sections about tet and evacuation! --Severino (talk) 21:36, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

External Links

I removed the external links as part of a general reformatting, cleanup, and expansion of the article that I am starting. The external links belong on other articles such as Operation Frequent Wind or Fall of Saigon but for they are really only focused on those things. They aren't focused on the embassy, they are focused on the Fall of Saigon and the operation and are pretty much irrelevant in the article. The one exception to that is one link I shouldn't have removed which is the CBS news footage of the Viet Cong attack which I assume is relevant. I am not trying to degrade the article by making "changes like this" instead I am trying to improve it. - SantiLak (talk) 05:40, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

I wrote the page. The former Embassy is notable for 3 key events of the Vietnam War, being bombed in 1965, attacked during the 1968 Tet Offensive and as the scene of Operation Frequent Wind and so all of the external links are relevant to its notability and should be retained.Mztourist (talk) 07:10, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

First of all, WP:OWNERSHIP, second of all it is notable because it is an Embassy of the United States, those events are notable parts of its history but the reason the article has notability is not because of those events. - SantiLak (talk) 07:22, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Re WP:OWNERSHIP, I was merely pointing out that I wrote most of the article and therefore am probably the most familiar with it and the subject. Second, no its not notable just for being a US Embassy, its notable for being at the centre of 3 major events of the Vietnam War which make up the majority of the page. As previously advised the external links all add detail to those 3 events.Mztourist (talk) 08:54, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

I meant per notability standards and I didn't mean that those events weren't a notable part of it, the reason for it being an article on WP is not because it of those events but because it was an Embassy of the United States. They don't really add detail to those events involving the embassy that isn't included in the article itself. I will go through each of them specifically. The ITN news footage youtube link barely has any footage of the embassy and it is of the exterior and of a helicopter taking off which doesn't add any detail to the fall of saigon section of the article, there is already information in the article that shows that. The same goes for the Scenes from Operation Frequent Wind youtube link which shows more footage of things already covered in the article. The CBS news link I already covered. After going through it, maybe the White Christmas: The Fall of Saigon link should stay but along with the Fall of Saigon Marines link, any important information from it should be translated into the article and they should be cited, instead of staying as external links. - SantiLak (talk) 09:25, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Does every US Embassy around the world have or warrant its own page? No. The U.S. Embassy in Saigon is notable for its role in the Vietnam War. The purpose of External Links is to provide readers with additional detail or a wider flavour of the subject not otherwise contained in the page itself and the existing links do just that. So why are you so intent on removing them? Mztourist (talk) 03:13, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

But the issue is that the information in most of those external links I removed is covered in the article so there is no need for them. - SantiLak (talk) 03:43, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

I think you both need to look at Wikipedia:External links for a better understanding of what is allowed in this section. I'm not familiar enough with this subject to determine which links belong (it was on my watchlist because I moved the page to a title that matches other US embassy/consulate articles), but the links should have a significant amount of content relating to the embassy itself not just related battles/events. If appropriate, link to the webpage that relates to the embassy, not the website's homepage. The two most relevant criteria to this discussion seem to be:

• "What can normally be linked:...3. Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks), or other reasons."
• "Links normally to be avoided: 1. Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article."

I don't feel like going through all the links to determine which are relevant, but use the External links guideline to determine among yourselve which are appropriate. I can't find the guideline, but I'm fairly certain that external links should have a description of what is contained at the link. AHeneen (talk) 15:25, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Timeline of the last day of operations in 1975

The article says that "From 10:00 to 12:00 Major Kean and his Marines cut down trees and moved vehicles to create an LZ in the embassy parking lot behind the Chancery building". I have found a source that says “At 3:30 a.m. on April 29, the first choppers came in,” Smith said. By then he had been detailed to man the gate the South Vietnamese civilians were allowed through on their way to the rescue helicopters". The source is Don Moore at [1]. Can that source be used? --20yardsaway (talk) 12:07, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

The author is reportedly Senior Writer, Charlotte Sun (Port Charlotte, FL) and the article reportedly has been published in that newspaper. --20yardsaway (talk) 12:11, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I find that many of your numerous edits to this page are trivial, unnecessary and not based on WP:RS, accordingly in the next few days I intended to review and if necessary revert them. Mztourist (talk) 08:59, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Lowering of the flag during the fall of Saigon: How many times?

One reference seems to say that the last 11 marines lowered the flag. Another reference tells about a flag (near the main entrance) that was lowerd on the 28th of April and given to the ambassador. Another reference tells about "One of the marines lowered the flag, folded it up, and escorted the ambassador up to the landing zone up on top of the embassy, and he gave him the flag and that was it". Are these three separate lowering of flag (or was there only one or two lowering(s) of the flag at the embassy during the Fall of Saigon)? --20yardsaway (talk) 15:06, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

these seem to come from non WP:RS sources that you have inserted. Mztourist (talk) 08:59, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Dead VC

Do the three pictures of the dead VC contribute to this article? If not I will remove them.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 22:04, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't really think so, I'm planning to finish the second half of my expansion/cleanup of this article in the next few days, I can just remove them then. - SantiLak (talk) 02:14, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

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