Talk:Emily Tyra

Sulfurboy Comments

• Comment: IMDB and Facebook are not reliable sources Sulfurboy (talk) 21:18, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

PackardTwin8 (talk) 17:49, 28 March 2020 (UTC)PackardTwin8 Response:

1. Removed/replaced both IMDb and Facebook references after additional comments from Sulfurboy. I will comment here, however, that IMDb is an entertainment industry standard for participants in that industry. Although there may have been abuses in the past, it is now wholly-owned by Amazon. They are implementing refereed additions as Wiki does...

2. Updated reference citations to better reflect Wikipedia standards.

MurielMary Comments

• Comment: Does not seem to meet the criteria for a biography on Wikipedia. MurielMary (talk) 11:03, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Rebuttal: Please re-review Draft:Emily Tyra

Although I haven’t received any further clarification why MurielMary declined this article, but her reasons, however, appear to center around both the notability of this subject and, perhaps, its content being suitable for a Wikipedia biography of a living person.

I would like to address, in detail, both issues. Referring to WP:GNG WP:PERSON and more specifically, additional criteria set forth for entertainers.

I believe that Draft:Emily Tyra fully meets the necessary criteria for inclusion into Wikipedia.

Base Criteria WP:PERSON

As set forth in these guidelines:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other and independent of the subject.

1. Draft:Emily Tyra presently has 30 sources of information, plus an external links to 7 additional databases confirming the information as presented. Of those, 20 are secondary sources that interview and/or review Tyra’s work on the stage and screen since she began her professional career. I have removed citation references to IMDB – and other such industry-standard databases. They are now external links, but their content is consistent with the draft article.

2. Although the reliability of any newsprint or web resource can be questioned, articles that are used as references in this effort have been published by the New York Times, The Hollywood Reporter, Variety – and a host of smaller regional arts and theatre publications. They are solid secondary sources of information about Tyra. Information summarized in this article is derived from these sources – as well as host of databases serving the disparate creative worlds in which she participates. (See external links).

3. All of the references used appear to have been written by entities independent of the subject – and they are independent from one another (as far as I know at this time). Other than external links to Tyra’s Instagram and Twitter accounts, there is no self-published content utilized in this draft article that I am aware of.

4. Further, sources used in the draft are a small subset of the secondary and tertiary information that can be found on the web about Tyra. Searching for her on Google results in at least 120 articles and multiple 100’s of photos taken at various stages of her career to date. As she was active before the internet was a dominant source of information, I suspect there is much more available content outside those articles presently scraped by Google robots.

5. There presently is no Wiki page available for Tyra. Google – lacking such reference materials from Wikipedia - has created its own banner box about Emily Tyra that immediately appears on the right side of the screen whenever the term Emily Tyra is serached (See preview reference below). Derived from multiple sources, this infobox includes a brief bio, photos and references, including some content that Google has scraped from the Code Black/CBS.com website. The information presented is consistent with that contained in the draft article as proposed.

6. Both Instagram and Twitter have verified accounts for Tyra, indicating that she meets the criteria they’ve established to protect the accounts of public persons/celebrities and those who choose to follow them. As of the date of this rebuttal, Tyra has 13,700 followers on Instagram – and another 5,000 followers on Twitter. (See external links). These accounts, as just one measure, suggest she has been a public person for some time – and that she has a following that suggests she an established player in the entertainment business.

7. As Tyra has performed professionally as a Dancer, as a Singer and as an Actress, it’s a challenge is to integrate secondary source information from these disparate creative worlds – and the web/print publications that cover them. I believe a Wikipedia article that presents a holistic view of her career as a performing Triple Threat (Singer/Dancer/Actor) be beneficial to all Wikipedia users. Other performing Triple Threats – albeit further along in their careers - include Hugh Jackman, Julie Andrews, Dick Van Dyke, and the late Valerie Harper and Mary Tyler Moore, among others.

8. The most controversial aspect of this draft article is her reported battle with brain cancer. All of the information presented is found in the public domain. It has been placed there by through interviews she has given to multiple publications, the most recent being March 2020. I believe her health condition has been presented factually and, consistently with the public advocacy about her illness she apparently desires.

Additional Criteria - Entertainers WP:PERSON

As set forth in these guidelines for actors, models and related media celebrities:
 (1) Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, other productions, and (2) Has a large fan base or a significant “cult” following.

Although Tyra appears started in minor/ensemble roles in regional theatre and with the Boston Ballet beginning in 2005, her move to New York City resulted in taking on multiple and notable non-ensemble roles across stage, television and film after 2011.

1. On Stage: Weeks and months-long performance roles in the Broadway casts of Hugh Jackman’s concert series (see photos of Tyra with Jackman in the NYT review), Chaplin, and with Matthew Broderick in Nice Work if you Can Get It. She also held a starring role in a regional theater performance of A Chorus Line in 2019 (See referenced articles.)

2. On Television: Co-starring/main cast roles in CBS’ Code Black and Flesh and Bone. Between these two series, she has appeared in 36 episodes – and was showcased to nearly 6 million people on a weekly basis when these programs first aired. These programs continue to be streamed via various on-line services provided by CBS and others.

3. On Film: A starring role in Harpoon. Indeed, her image is front and center in the promotional images provided for this film.

4. In Dance: Leading role with James Sewell Ballet where her work was noted in multiple dance reviews. (See NYT articles, and others].

5. On Social Media: As noted earlier, Tyra has nearly 13,700 followers on her verified Twitter and Instagram accounts. Several fan groups have also established independent websites dedicated to Tyra. One of these websites has been referenced in External links.

Existing listings within long-standing Wikipedia articles

Although is this is only a point of tertiary defense, Tyra is already mentioned in at least three long standing – and accepted - Wikipedia articles:

1. Code Black In the infobox about the series, she is the only actress without any Wikipedia reference. Indeed, even actors who appeared less frequently than Tyra (in 29 episodes) on the series have Wikipedia reference pages. Declining her a Wikipedia entry because of a lack of notability poses serious questions about the consistency of Wikipedia notability already assigned to her peers on the Code Black series.

2. As a co-star of Flesh and Bone, the same inconsistency discussed above exists about Tyra’s notability. Of the top six actors in the series (as listed in the infobox and in the main cast listing), she is the only person without an entry.

3. The same notability inconsistency as discussed above also exists in the Wikipedia article about Harpoon, a film that she was noted as having starred in.

Draft:Emily Tyra is structured comparably to existing Wikipedia articles of her peers in the Entertainment industry

Draft:Emily Tyra follows a consistent organizational structure typical of a public person engaged in the entertainment business. It encompasses listings of her career in dance, theater, TV and film. See most of the cast of Code Black and Valerie Harper as examples. Some of these approved biographies are might not pass editorial muster if they were to be subjected to the same criteria by which Draft: Emily Tyra is being judged.

In reviewing Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, I believe this article is written from a neutral point of view. Use of the adjective acclaimed for several of Tyra’s projects is accurate based on reviews published by notable secondary sources.

All of the information presented is verifiable – and contains no original research.

I have discussed the singular point of controversy – her acknowledgment of brain cancer – above. It is fully referenced by secondary source interviews - and treated both neutrally and respectfully.

Thank you - I look forward to your reconsideration PackardTwin8 (talk) 18:50, 2 April 2020 (UTC)PackardStraight8

(talk page stalker)@PackardTwin8: the reviewers who have looked at this draft have looked at thousands of article drafts and articles, if not tens of thousands. Their assessments are usually very, very accurate. I concur with them that this subject is not particularly notable. The article also reads like a promotional CV. Finally, if you want to get anyone's attention here among the volunteer editor corps, the lest effective way to do it is with a large WP:WALLOFTEXT. Short messages are preferred.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:37, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

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