Talk:Emma of Waldeck and Pyrmont

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It was proposed by Mowens that Emma of Waldeck and Pyrmont be moved to Emma of Waldeck and Pyrmont. per Wiki naming convention of queen consorts Mowens35 19:41, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose. She was not only a queen consort, she has also been a queen regent. Because of this, she is much better known than the other consorts of the Dutch kings (of whom I don't recall the names), and I think she "deserves" the same treatment as the ruling queens. Eugene van der Pijll 20:00, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

There are lots of Queen Regents of other countries as well. Would you like to change all those to conform with your opinion? Wiki convention is maiden names once the kings/spouses are dead. I'm all for conformity on this. And she was queen regent for eight years, hardly a record in anybody's book, especially considering she lived for another 36 years as queen mother/dowager queen. Mowens35 23:14, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

She was not actually a Queen Regent. She was a Queen Consort who became regent during her daughter's minority. Other women in the same position are listed under their maiden names. (Alphaboi867 07:10, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC))

Alphaboi, she was not a Queen Regnant. She was a Queen Regent. Two letters' difference.

According to the New York Times (Holland's Queen, 26 September 1897), King William, after the death of his sons, had the Dutch senate nominate Emma as Queen Regent in 1888. Does anybody have a biography of her around that would clear up this issue? Mowens35 08:12, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

She was Queen Regent. Arrigo 09:14, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Title

According to Wet i.v.m. het overgaan van de Kroon op een Koningin (BWBR0001858), Queen Emma's title during her regency of Queen Wilhelmina was: EMMA, Koningin-Weduwe, Regentes van het Koninkrijk, or in English: EMMA, Dowager Queen, Regent of the Kingdom. Thus, (Dowager) Queen Emma of the Netherlands, Queen Regent would do.

(Also, she was never The Queen of the Netherlands.) – (empoor) 17:12, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Of course she was "the Queen of the Netherlands" as the wife of "the King of the Netherlands".[1] Surtsicna (talk) 19:53, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

The New Amsterdam Gazette is part of Indiana University; a foreign publication referring to Queen Emma as "the Queen of the Netherlands" is not all too surprising, but it's still incorrect. A Queen regnant is "the Queen of the Netherlands," whereas a Queen consort is "Queen X of the Netherlands" (as she isn't our queen suo jure). – (empoor) 23:15, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

English language usage is what matters here. During her marriage, she was officially styled "Her Majesty The Queen of the Netherlands" in English. I doubt Dutch is so similar to English that the usage is analogous. Do you have any sources to support your last statement? Surtsicna (talk) 16:25, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, for instance, in signed laws, a King or Queen of the Netherlands is mentioned to be a holder of the title "King (or Queen) of the Netherlands," whereas Queen Emma (and Princess Juliana when she was a regent for her mother Queen Wilhelmina) is simply a "Dowager Queen" (or in Princess Juliana's case, a "Princess of the Netherlands"). Secondly, the documenting website Parlement.nl (a University of Leiden initiative) refers to a Queen regnant as "Queen of the Netherlands" (and not "Queen X of the Netherlands"), whereas Queen Emma is simply, "Queen Emma". – (empoor) 00:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

We are confounding "English language" usage and "Court of St. James's" usage here, but in fact they are not the same thing. We are supposed to give preference to English versions of names in article titles for persons whose names are different in their mother tongue. But that Wiki rule is not applicable to article content. The templates for royalty used on English Wikipedia invariably, but incorrectly, assume that the way royalty is addressed and referred to at the British court is the way that non-British royalty should be addressed any time one speaks or writes English: But "Her Majesty The Queen of the Netherlands" was not "the official" style for Emma while she was a consort -- except at the British court(s). There was no "official" way to address her in English elsewhere. What we should be using here is an idiomatic translation into English of how royalty is referred to in their native courts -- often found on an English version of their websites. FactStraight (talk) 03:33, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

German empire

Looking at her birthdate, how can she be born in the German empire? I have can't recall to what state it belonged after 1815, I suppose Prussia, but German empire can't be right. 81.68.255.36 (talk) 20:27, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

First picture caption language

The caption for the picture of the young Emma of Waldeck and Pyrmont reads Emma 12 years old (1870). Shouldn't it read Emma of Waldeck and Pyrmont at the age of 12, in 1870? --PrincessAlice13 (talk) 20:03, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Her titles and styles

Hello Surtsicna, the fact that Queen Emma was Regent for her husband for a few days and afterwards eight years for her daughter is not seriously in doubt. Neither is the fact that she was generally known as the Queen mother in the Netherlands after her Regency. Neither is the fact that she was known as HM the Queen of the Netherlands during her husbands life. Just for consistency, you have yourself added this edit where you don't see any reason to call Ioanna of Bulgaria a dowager. What is the dowager thing based on? She was generally known as the Queen Mother and of course officially as Queen Emma, when she stopped being HM the Queen. Your source is not the website of the Dutch Parliament, but the website for a University project that publishes the text of primary sources. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 20:28, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

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