Talk:Empfindsamkeit (music)
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Move to Empfindsamkeit or Empfinsamer Stil?
editI understand that the creators of this article may have wanted to use a name that would be easily understood (and spelled) but I believe that the article, per WP:COMMONNAME, should use the most commonly used name for this period/style, which is universally referred to by German terms. The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians (English) uses "Empfindsamkeit". The 1969 Harvard Dictionary of Music (English) uses "Empfinsamer Stil". Neither has even a cross-reference for "Sensitive Style". Daniel Hertz in New Grove (2001) writes:
- The term is usually translated as ‘sensibility’ (in the 18th-century or Jane Austen sense, which derives from the French sensibilité). ‘Sentimental’ is another translation, sanctioned by Lessing when rendering Sterne’s Sentimental Journey as Empfindsame Reise. One modern scholar, W.S. Newman, gives ‘ultrasensitive’ as an English equivalent.
Given that the term used in this article does not appear even as a cross-reference or translation, and no English translation is commonly used, I recommend a move to "Empfindsamkeit" but also would not object to "Empfinsamer Stil". -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 07:10, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Seeing through the history that it was moved in 2010 without discussion per MOS:FORLANG which does not discuss the actual article title, rather than WP:English which states: "The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources (for example other encyclopedias and reference works, scholarly journals, and major news sources)" -- all the reliable sources cited use German language terms. Hence, moved. If there is an edit war, administrators can revert to Sensitivity Style since it was there for 11 years, even though I object to the title. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 07:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- I regret that none of us will benefit from Jerome Kohl's thoughtful comments on this topic, as a major contributor to this article. (RIP). -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 07:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Mscuthbert:, RIP indeed to Jerome... on the matter above, it seems that Empfindsamkeit is certainly the most widely used per Google Ngrams and google search results 478,000 vs 47,000. Aza24 (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Since it seems no one will do so, I've boldly moved to "Empfindsamkeit (music)" (since it could refer to the equivalent literature movement) Aza24 (talk) 18:34, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! Any of these outcomes is better than "Sentimentality Style"! -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 22:34, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
- I regret that none of us will benefit from Jerome Kohl's thoughtful comments on this topic, as a major contributor to this article. (RIP). -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 07:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)