Talk:Enamorada de Ti

Questions during October 2012 GOCE copy edit

Hi Jona. I'll ask questions here as and when.

• Lede: "Other songs on the album ... have charted on Billboard digital charts, the first since their official release." Is this the first issue of the relevant chart after the songs' release, or something else? --Stfg (talk) 10:38, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Well the title track never charted, but the others have last charted in 1995. Jona^{talk to me} 13:09, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• OK, got that. --Stfg (talk) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Development: "the Kumbia All-Starz, the processor of Kumbia Kings". What does "processor" mean here? --Stfg (talk) 11:06, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• AB formed the Kumbia Kings but left it to create a new one the Kumbia All-Starz, hope this helps. Jona^{talk to me} 13:09, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Yes thanks, it's clear. --Stfg (talk) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Development: "During the recording sessions, A.B. helped with the participation of several artists, creating new duets with Selena." Not sure what this means. How did he help with their participation? --Stfg (talk) 11:36, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Re-reading it again the translator gives me "The album features the participation of several artists who give life the rhythms that lead the ranking in different stations that broadcast mainly tropical rhythms." which before they were talking about his 2010 album so that sentence needs to be removed since they were not talking about the participation's on their project with his father. Thanks, Jona^{talk to me} 13:09, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Done. --Stfg (talk) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Comment also "favour" is not American English . Best, Jona^{talk to me} 13:09, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Well spotted. Fixed. --Stfg (talk) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Lede & Critical reception: Angie Romero didn't call it "the Titanic of Latin albums" -- Sergio Lopes said that. Romero was merely interviewing him. He said it because it was a huge project, not because it sank. So it's an interesting quote, but it isn't relevant to critical reception. Also, how sure are you that it's referring to the ship, RMS Titanic? That was a disaster and Lopes wasn't calling the album a disaster. What would you like to do with this quote? --Stfg (talk) 13:49, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• I would say remove it since it came from him and would be biased to add a comment coming from a producer who worked on the album. That's my opinion unless it would be best to leave it but written differently? Jona^{talk to me} 14:17, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• I agree, best to remove it. I'll do that. --Stfg (talk) 15:22, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Songs: I changed "The duet with Gomez on "Bidi Bidi Bom Bom" was highly praised by music critics" into "... had a mixed reception", because the praise quoted only comes from an unnamed writer in The Belfast Herald and from Domingo Banda. A.B. and Gomez are biased and don't count, and Guerra's and Lovelace's comments are decidedly negative. Is that OK? --Stfg (talk) 15:22, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Yup Jona^{talk to me} 16:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Songs: The blockquote is (forgive me!) just verbal diarrhoea. Would it be OK if I delete it? --Stfg (talk) 15:22, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Of course, if its not going to be favored by reviewers then by all means =) Jona^{talk to me} 16:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

• Release: "As of February 2012, Canadian singer Michael Bublé has been confirmed as one of many other artists who has interest in recording a duet with Selena." Confirmed as having an interest is a bit confusing. Is he going to do it, or just hoping to? (Do we have any more up-to-date info?) --Stfg (talk) 13:48, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• P.S. FN10 only says that Abraham said that they might so a followup with people such as Bublé, which doesn't really amount to a confirmation. I think FN11 says exactly the same in Spanish, doesn't it? --Stfg (talk) 13:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• Yes the Spanish says the same thing (used a translator lolz) so the picture needs to be removed since he himself has not confirmed that he would partake in the project. Jona^{talk to me} 16:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• Done. --Stfg (talk) 17:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• Critical reception: "An editor of El Porvenir called Enamorada de Ti an "acoustic album"." I'm not quite sure what to make of that. Is it a positive of negative assessment, of just a highly technical observation? Does it help? --Stfg (talk) 15:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• I believe a technical observation doesn't sound positive nor negative since the album's only acoustic tracks are found in the Wal-Mart edition. Jona^{talk to me} 16:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• I mean does it help the reader? In any case, if the only acoustic tracks are the Wal-Mart ones, isn't the comment in El Porvenir a bit misleading? What am I missing?

• Not really, its not an acoustic album so best to remove it the albums has enough reviews anyways. Best, Jona^{talk to me} 21:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• My preference too. Done. --Stfg (talk) 21:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

This album and earlier project

Another comment here you changed "The album" to "Enamorada de Ti" which was not the same project the family were working on at that time, they left that project and went on board with the EDT project. Best, Jona^{talk to me} 14:44, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Ah, OK. Since the article is about EDT, anyone seeing the words "the album" will assume they refer to EDT unless it's made very clear what else we're referring to. That misunderstanding would have arisen in the previous version of that paragraph, too. We also need to say why it's relevant to the present article. Actually, I'm very confused now, because the source seems to mention La Vida De Un Genio. However, later in the paragraph you mention the song "Soy Amiga", and that isn't mentioned in the tracklisting of either this article or La Vida De Un Genio. So, what is this paragraph about? (Remember, I don't know Spanish). --Stfg (talk) 15:22, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

That section refers to the origins of "updating Selena's music into today's popular genres" which was first started in 2011 by her family but after Gatica went to EMI and proposed the project of updating Selena's music with today's popular artists the family decided to postpone and then abandon their project since Gatica had EMI's permission. The family were going to update Selena's unreleased recordings pre-EMI years with Tejano-only acts under their label Q-Productions, however, Gatcia wanted to update her well known songs with today's popular acts. "Soy Amiga" was a song recorded by Selena back in 1986 (pre-EMI) which was a ballad transformed into a cumbia style, which was one of the songs that were going to be on the 5 volume CDs the family were planning. Jona^{talk to me} 16:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

The whole section?! OK, then we need to make this clear. If we have a section called "development" in an article about an album, then the reader is going to think it's a section about the development of that album, and be as confused as I was. First, let's think of a better section heading. Did the abandoned project have a name, like a provisional album name, for instance? --Stfg (talk) 17:27, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

No before this entire section was in the Untitled Selena album (which I redirected back to this article) because the family abandoned it. Would it be best to rename it to "Origins of updating Selena's music", "Origins of Enamorada de Ti", "Pre-Enamorada de Ti planned album", "Pre-Enamorada de Ti project", "Quintanilla family project", etc?. Jona^{talk to me} 17:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

That's great, I can see what was there from the history. I think we should keep the section heading simple, maybe something like "Unreleased album". What do you think? No rush. I'm going to finish the Songs section this evening and then finish for the day. I'll return to this issue tomorrow. --Stfg (talk) 18:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I had to think for awhile about that heading because "unreleased album" sounds more like the album was already produced and ready-to-go but was later abandon, but there's no source that indicates that so what about "Origins"? Best, Jona^{talk to me} 11:20, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Good point. Is it truly about the origins of EDT, or simply a different project that got abandoned? Looking at your earlier suggestions, "Quintanilla family project" seems to work quite well and to be accurate. How about that? --Stfg (talk) 11:48, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

It is the origins of EDT since the idea was to "bring Selena's songs into today's popular genres" and since they left that project to be on EDT seems okay to have that section be called "Quintanilla family project". Best, Jona^{talk to me} 11:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

(←) Very good. I've done that, and changed tenses a bit for clarity. Please would you check the revised section and also the revisions in the lede and the Production section? I've added a sentence at the end about abandoning it, to round it off. Could you supply a reference for that please? --Stfg (talk) 13:20, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I like it but after searching on the web I only found this blog by Perez Hilton about EDT and the project her family were planning but nothing that they abandoned or postponed it, so I guess we are back to zero with this section lolz. Btw would this be an acceptable critical review to add? Jona^{talk to me} 13:56, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

No worries about the section. All we can do is say what we know without speculating. Have changed it and the lede to do that. That review doesn't add anything about EDT that we don't know from other sources, and it might be felt to be promoting the book. By the way, I found it a pig to download -- it locked my computer up for fully half a minute --Stfg (talk) 17:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

What?!?!? when you click on the link? That's strange :/ anyways yea I found more reviews on EDT (especially from the UK odd but hey I guess Gomez is 'popular' there ) but like what you said nothing that the article doesn't have. Jona^{talk to me} 21:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Song titles inside quotations

Advice requested and received at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Titles#Quotations including song titles. I checked out a couple of Featured Articles, and they do it that way. --Stfg (talk) 14:41, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh yea something like that came up the Missing My Baby (2nd FAC) comments and I didn't know what he was asking me to do but I do believe that implies quotes in the references section, but doesn't it also imply for quotations in the article body? Jona^{talk to me} 16:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it does. The ones I did today are in the article body. Check out 4 Minutes (Madonna song), for instance -- that's one of the FAs I checked. --Stfg (talk) 18:16, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Enamorada de Ti (album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Curly Turkey (talk · contribs) 05:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   • Is About.com a reliable source? See this, although I can't seem to find a definitve answer about it.
   • Ref [16] is a dead link.

   C. No original research:

   "Nothing more has been publicized about the project, however, since the Quintanillas started to work with Humberto Gatica on Enamorada de Ti." does not have a citation.

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

   "Critical reception" talks about the "mixed review" the album received.

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   Four images: three from Commons, one under Fair Use and tagged appropriately

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

• I removed the deadlink. Best, Jona^{talk to me} 12:58, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

• Well other GAs use About.com as a reliable source, including one of my GA "I Could Fall in Love". I also removed the unsourced content. Best, Jona^{talk to me} 00:49, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

• The thread that Curly Turkey linked above is ambiguous about whether about.com is RS, but it seems to be saying that it depends what kind of information we're getting from it, and who wrote it. In this article, it's cited merely as the place where Carlos Quintana's critical assessments are hosted. So, perhaps the important question for you is whether Quintana's views are notable. I think they probably are. --Stfg (talk) 10:08, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought that About.com was a site of user-generated content. It looks like Quintana's a professional. Everything else looks in order. Well done on the article! CüRlyTüRkey^Talk_Contribs 12:33, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Album is "TBA"?

A new user account keeps trying to put in content about an alleged future music album with "TBA". Such content is not appropriate because: (1) Thre is no name for the album and no information about tracks is available; (2) There is no release date or any indication the album has even been produced; (3) If it doesn't exist, it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia because it has no informational value; (4) Putting content in about something that hasn't happened yet violates WP:CRYSTAL: "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. Wikipedia does not predict the future...Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors". -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 06:33, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@Winkelvi: I have noticed that, also the user has changed the album cover and is using the fair use image on multiple Wikipedia pages.Fundude99 (talk) 02:46, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Fundude99, it seems the editor is trying to improve articles but is going about it the wrong way. I just read the comment you left on their talk page. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 04:01, 14 January 2015 (UTC)