Talk:Ent/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: AirshipJungleman29 (talk · contribs) 22:19, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

I'll review this article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:19, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

• Many thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 00:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   One or two minor points of correction, which will be outlined below.

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction (N/A), and list incorporation (N/A):

2. Is it verifiable with no original research?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

   Almost completely.

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Should only be a short hold. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:24, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Source and image review

• All Tolkien references appear to be accurate.
  • Noted.

• Spotcheck of accessible sources:
  • 3 - good
  • 6 - good
  • 7 - good
  • 8 - good
  • 9 - good
  • is 15 really necessary?
    • Removed.
  • 16 (Screen Rant): while listed as a marginally reliable source at WP:RSP, the link does not provide any evidence of the Groot character being linked to Tolkien.
    • Removed.

• Most images are fine. Is File:Twisted Plumeria tree trunk overgrowing the steep stone stairs of Wat Phou temple, Champasak, Laos.jpg really necessary? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
  • To my eye the image supports the text and caption well.

Other issues

• "Treebeard, who (credibly) claims to be the oldest creature in Middle-earth" does Treebeard actually ever claim to be the oldest? Or is he just called such by Gandalf and Celeborn? See [1].
  • Yes, they call him that. Fixed.

• Is there any analysis available linking Ents to the folklore mentioned (Dryads, Germanic groves, etc.)? Such as the David Day source?
  • Removed the mention.
• "Treebeard boasted of their strength to Merry and Pippin; he said that Ents were much more powerful than Trolls, which Morgoth made in the First Age in mockery of Ents, as orcs were of elves"." there's a quotation mark at the end, but none preceding it.
  • Removed.
• Could the description be made a subsection of the Internal history section? I feel like that would work better.
  • • Done.
  • If so, you could incorporate some of the material from the passage beginning 'Ents are an old race...' into the First Age subsection.
    • Done, and removed the overlap.
• I don't think the Erchamion is necessary.
  • Gone.
• "Samwise Gamgee mentions his" --> mentions that
  • Added.
• I assume the closing bracket after the Great Sea quotation was a typo.
  • Removed.
• Could the "Ent-like creatures" subsection be renamed to 'cultural derivations' or similar? I feel that that better represents the contents. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:04, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Done.

Nice! Promoting now. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Would it be worth making mention of Cad Goddeu as a possible source of inspiration? I don't know if Token ever mentioned it but I'd be surprised if Tolkien hadn't read some of the book of Taliesin. Even if, if he did draw on it as a source of inspiration, he used it with some different themes attached. Thedirefulspring (talk) 22:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)