Talk:Entry into force
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Stub assessment
editThis article has been assessed as a stub. It needs expansion on the forms of coming into force in various jurisdictions. Capitalistroadster 23:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Effective date
edit1997 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.254.225.70 (talk) 13:25, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Most Acts do not 'come into force' just by being passed by the legislature or receiving executive approval. They almost always include a date from which the new law will apply (this could be several years ahead), and this is the date on which an Act can be said to come into force. Emeraude 16:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The date from which the new law will apply is called 'entry into operation'(see Biocidal Product Regulation). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.191.88.239 (talk) 12:57, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/faq/45945
https://www.easa.europa.eu/en/faq/19112 Kaihsu (talk) 13:56, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Content quality
editThis article is just dreadful! Unfortunately, among other problems, it mangles together treatment of both legislation and treaties, so it perhaps needs co-operation between people familiar with both to sort it out.
Regarding legislation, it seems to me that there are three separate concepts that have been confused here:
- enactment, by which a draft law "hits the statute book";
- promulgation, by which the existence of a law is formally notified to the public; and
- the coming into force of a law's provisions, i.e. the date(s) on which those provisions take actual practical effect.
For example, a law might be "approved" or "signed into law" on 1 June 2011, but not be enforceable until its promulgation (by publication in an official gazette on 2 June), and not actually change anything "on the ground" until 1 January 2012.
There is already an article on promulgation, but there don't seem to be any for the other two (although there are articles on "Royal Assent" and "veto"). Perhaps all the legislative material should be moved into "legislation", and the treaty material moved into "treaty" (which presently seems to lack anything on the formalities of concluding international agreements).
Andrew Gwilliam (talk) 03:16, 21 June 2011 (UTC).
I'm wondering, would the proper legal term for 'the coming into force of a law's provisions, i.e. the date(s) on which those provisions take actual practical effect' be "Date of Effectiveness"? Drdpw (talk) 16:19, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
- In England, the correct term is "commencement" or "coming into force". James500 (talk) 16:47, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks James500; I thought that this might be a case of British vs. American terminology. The 2 terms are synonymous then. In that case, perhaps the article Effective date should be redirected to this article and the term included along side "commencement". I do agree with Andrew Gwilliam's assessment above concerning this article, and hope that it gets the attention it needs. This all got started for me when I wanted to add "effective" as an option along side "commencement" on the Legislation infobox template, but was told no, because effective date isn't a proper legal term (even though it is here in the US, whereas commencement is not).
Discussion link – Template talk:Infobox legislation.
- Thanks James500; I thought that this might be a case of British vs. American terminology. The 2 terms are synonymous then. In that case, perhaps the article Effective date should be redirected to this article and the term included along side "commencement". I do agree with Andrew Gwilliam's assessment above concerning this article, and hope that it gets the attention it needs. This all got started for me when I wanted to add "effective" as an option along side "commencement" on the Legislation infobox template, but was told no, because effective date isn't a proper legal term (even though it is here in the US, whereas commencement is not).
- I just noticed that I did not sign this post yesterday; sorry. Drdpw (talk) 19:23, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Propose move and recentering
editCurrently we have this article, which is not terribly edifying in its current state, plus a maze of redlinks and bad redirects for related concepts such as legal force, legal effect, force of law, and the like. Given the challenges of global articles on amorphous legal concepts, any solution to this problem is going to have problems of its own. But I would like to try to get things a little better than they are now. How an instrument comes into force/effect is a subtopic of legal force and effect in general, so I am thinking of moving this article to something like Effect (law). Most of the current content would then go into a "Coming into force" subsection (thus preserving the edit history). Currently playing around with this at User:Visviva/Force of law. I think this arrangement would be an improvement for both readers and editors. It would also bring our treatment of the topic into better alignment with non-English wikis. -- Visviva (talk) 05:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)