Talk:Ephraim–Gibraltar Airport

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 15:42, 29 October 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Ephraim–Gibraltar Airport → Ephraim-Gibraltar Airport – Revert undiscussed move. Almost all airports use a hyphen, a very few a slash, none use an endash. Apteva (talk) 03:13, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

• FAA clearly gives Ephraim-Gibraltar as the name, with a hyphen. Obviously we do not use all caps.[1] Apteva (talk) 03:15, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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• Oppose. Clear case of WP:ENDASH, and Apteva's reason is spurious: dashes are used in airport names. This is merely a matter of style, and so is covered by the MOS. Apteva has started several of these discussions, which should be consolidated. — kwami (talk) 21:54, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

• Say what? – Is Apteva saying that we ignore the FAA's style for case, but respect it for punctuation? Why is that? Or what point in WP:HYPHEN would suggest a hyphen here? Doesn't MOS:DASH suggest that connecting the names of the town and village with an en dash makes more sense in WP style? Yes, the FAA always uses hyphens in such contexts; that's a not unusual style, using hyphen for en dash; but it's not WP style. Apteva's claim that "none use an en dash" is known by him to be false, since he posted a long list of those that do. His theory that none should has been shot down at MOS and at multiple requested moves and move reviews in the last week or two, yet he persists in pushing this novel theory. Dicklyon (talk) 03:23, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

  That is "by him or her" thank you. Actually what I posted is a list that were recently moved incorrectly and need to be moved back to using a hyphen. But it is a short list, not a long list. The criteria is very clear for choosing a name. What is the official name? What is the name most commonly used? In no case that anyone has been able to offer, and in none of the airport names that I have looked at, does even one use an endash. The reason that we do not use all caps is because it looks like shouting and is hard to read, and no one normally uses all caps for airports anyway. I was thinking of offering some sort of reward for anyone who can find any proper name that uses an endash, since so far no one has. But I would love nothing better than for someone to be able to do that. The criteria is simple - a majority of books published. So far, and last year probably a few hundred articles were moved from using a hyphen to an endash, out of those few hundred exactly zero support using an endash and exactly 100% support using a hyphen. But by all means go ahead prove me wrong. I will be the first to suggest that in the body of text that article use an endash. As to the title though, it is my recommendation to prohibit endashes from titles, but that only affects titles that we know should use an endash, like World War I (1914-18). What did Rumsfeld say? There are known knowns, there are things we know we know ... What I do know, is that no one has been able to support the use of an endash in any airport name, based on the criteria that we use in choosing names. For anyone wondering what an endash is, it please see Dash. It is longer than a hyphen and has less white space before and after it. It is to my knowledge never used in any proper name. Normally exceptions are trivial to find, and it is quite surprising that no one has been able to find one. Apteva (talk) 07:04, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

The title should be consistent with the text. If we use a dash in the text, we should in the title. This appears to be part of your confusion of content and style. Both MOS and TITLE apply to titles. — kwami (talk) 21:56, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Agree with Kwami. Tony (talk) 06:51, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.