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Etymology
editThe Fairchild entry for “epingline” says, in full, “A warp-ribbed dress fabric with silk or rayon warp and worsted filling and a pebbled face.” It does not support the content about the etymology of “epingline”. There is a derivation given for a type of cloth called “epingle”, and it seems probable that the two words share the same etymology, but the source doesn’t actually say this, so can’t be used for this section. It’s only usable as a source for the etymology of “epingle”. Brunton (talk) 12:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Brunton Please read my last edit summary in which You were asked to read Epingle. The text is as Epingle- A french term meaning pin, refering to a fine lustrous corded dress fabric with ribs running warp and so onHence we should use it for the etymology of the Epingline. It is suggesting the same other sources are pointing.RV (talk) 13:16, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- I read it, as you can see from what I’ve written above. The fact remains that it is an etymology of “epingle”, not “epingline”. We can’t use it for an etymology of “epingline” because it doesn’t give one, and doesn’t explicitly link the two terms. Brunton (talk) 13:21, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- By the way, what does the source by Dooley say about the etymology of epingline? I can only see a snippet view, which just gives a description i of the cloth, and then says, “This application is from...” What is the text following this? Brunton (talk) 13:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- It is conceivable that much. This source also suggests fine cords as if lined pinpoint. and pin is Epingle. Thanks RV (talk) 13:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Using that to support an etymology is clearly WP:OR, so I’ll remove it. Brunton (talk) 13:44, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Actually, the sources just say that the terms for cloth are derived from épingle, and don’t give an explanation for this. Trimmed accordingly. Brunton (talk) 13:57, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sources support derivation. And the text in the page. RV (talk) 14:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- But they don’t support a claim that any particular feature of the fabric is the reason for this derivation, so we can’t say they do. Brunton (talk) 14:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- They do.Epingline . A fine corded fabric of wool or silk showing the cords woven close together appearing as if lined with a pin point . This application is from Épingle , French for pin . Page 82 Source[1]: Another French epingle , a pin , or small pinwire . ) A descriptive term adopted from the French for a variety of silk or silk - and - wool dress goods , distinguished by lustrous cords or ribs extending from selvedge to ... EPINGLINE ( ep'paing - lene ) . Page 182 Source[2]. All sources are pointing the same derivation. Thanks RV (talk) 15:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- OK, now that you’ve quoted the relevant text from Dooley I can see that it does support the derivation of epingline from the French term (and actually does it rather better than the other source as it does it in the entry for “epingline” rather than via a crossref), but neither source gives a reason behind the derivation so the “hence” in the etymology section as originally posted was inappropriate. Brunton (talk) 16:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- They do.Epingline . A fine corded fabric of wool or silk showing the cords woven close together appearing as if lined with a pin point . This application is from Épingle , French for pin . Page 82 Source[1]: Another French epingle , a pin , or small pinwire . ) A descriptive term adopted from the French for a variety of silk or silk - and - wool dress goods , distinguished by lustrous cords or ribs extending from selvedge to ... EPINGLINE ( ep'paing - lene ) . Page 182 Source[2]. All sources are pointing the same derivation. Thanks RV (talk) 15:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- But they don’t support a claim that any particular feature of the fabric is the reason for this derivation, so we can’t say they do. Brunton (talk) 14:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sources support derivation. And the text in the page. RV (talk) 14:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- It is conceivable that much. This source also suggests fine cords as if lined pinpoint. and pin is Epingle. Thanks RV (talk) 13:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ Dooley, William Henry (1910). Textiles for Commercial, Industrial, Evening and Domestic Arts Schools: Also Adapted for Those Engaged in Retail and Wholesale and Retail Dry Goods, Wool, Cotton, and Dressmaker's Trades. D. C. Heath.
- ^ Cole, George S. (1900). Cole's Encyclopedia of Dry Goods: A Reference Book for the Wholesale and Retail Dry Goods Trade of the United States, Containing a Descriptive List of All the Standard Fabrics, Garments, and Related Articles of Merchandise ... with a History of Cotton, Silk, Wool, Flax, Jute, Ramie, Hemp and Other Commercial Fibers, and a Full Description of the Processes of Carding, Spinning, Weaving, Bleaching, Dyeing and Printing ... Root Newspaper Association.