Talk:Eps3.4 runtime-error.r00

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Note that I titled the article by its common name, i.e., how it's most often referenced in reliable sources. Please discuss here for consensus before unilaterally changing the title. czar 11:57, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

It should probably be formatted by its official full title. It wouldn't say "Runtime Error" is the more common name in reliable sources, as only 3 (as far I counted) out the 13 sources listed in the article referred to as "Runtime Error" over its full title. Even the Vox source which you used to cite in the lede, calls it "eps3.4_runtime-err0r.r00", and only uses the shortened title later in the article. This naming is also consistent with episode 1, "Eps1.0 hellofriend.mov". Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:27, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Most sources open with a creative work's official name but then use its common name when the official name is deliberately obtuse. In terms of naming criteria (article titles policy), "Runtime Error" is more recognizable (the name most people will call it), natural (reflecting what it's usually called), precise (unambiguously identified), and concise (not longer than necessary to identify) than "eps3.4_runtime-err0r.r00". I haven't looked into S1E1's sources. czar 19:32, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Agreed with Drovethrughosts. Common names are not used for episode titles, only their exact episode title, same as the pre-existing first-episode article (eps1.0_hellofriend.mov). WP:COMMON is an essay; WP:NCTV is a television guideline that thousands of articles already abide by. Where is the precedent for this proprietary interpretation of our guidelines? -- /Alex/₂₁ 22:37, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit the five criteria listed above.
— WP:COMMONNAME, part of the article titles policy

On what basis are episode article titles exempt from this? Where does NCTV even imply that only "exact" (read: official) titles be used?

Your move of the article title mid-discussion is plainly tendentious. Please restore it until the discussion is resolved. czar 23:17, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Three editors agree on the actual episode title; one disagree. A consensus is clear. I'll respond to the first past of your question later. Cheers. -- /Alex/₂₁ 23:23, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Back again; had work today. Who it so say that "Runtime Error" is the "common" title? As already stated, only 3 sources refer to it as that. That doesn't make it the common title, that makes it the title that those reviewers have decided to use. I could name far more than 3 that use "eps3.4_runtime-err0r.r00", thus making it more common. Can you cite examples of television episode articles that use a different name than their official episode name?

As for the latter part of your comment, you are one editor who created it at this title and are trying to force it to remain there. If you disagree, I recommend that you hold an official RM. Until then, consensus is the acting force behind the title. -- /Alex/₂₁ 06:30, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

When you moved the article, you were the third person to respond, not the fourth. I don't see why television episodes are somehow exempt from the common name policy that extends to all other articles on the encyclopedia, but this talk page surely isn't the place to hash that out. I named the article by my read of the sources, which (same as us) avoid the obtuse title of "eps3.4 runtime-error.r00" apart from introducing the topic. The title was unilaterally changed despite my asking on the talk page to have a discussion first. If you cannot see why that is steamrolling consensus, then I can't be the one to explain it. (not watching, please {{ping}}) czar 01:08, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

You had several sources, yes. However, as I said, far more than those three use "eps3.4_runtime-err0r.r00", making it the more common title. -- /Alex/₂₁ 01:41, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Episode articles on Wikipedia (and for that matter, most creative works in general) almost always use the official title and not "common names". Should we stop using official titles and just name them "S03E03" as I'm sure that is the more "common" name found on torrent sites. --Gonnym (talk) 23:11, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Unless this is in writing somewhere, our policy gives no such override of common name to any subset of encyclopedia articles. As for your second point, my experience with the sources shows the episodes much more commonly introduced by "season X, episode Y" than their official names, so yes, I think that should be at least considered if it hasn't already. Another discussion for a talk page with a wider viewership. (not watching, please {{ping}}) czar 01:08, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Definitely another discussion for a talk page with a wider viewership, and guaranteed one that would not pass consensus. -- /Alex/₂₁ 01:42, 6 January 2020 (UTC)