Talk:Ergogenic use of anabolic steroids

"Doping" is not borrowed from horse racing

Regarding [1], the first paper to use the term "doping" was in humans (circa 1939 I think). I'll look for a reference. Xasodfuih (talk) 15:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Even so, the use is pejorative; and it's not like there wasn't horse racing before 1939, or that the term wasn't used in "animal sports' before that. "Dope" of course was also associated with heroin/opium.....again a "negative transference".Skookum1 (talk) 15:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

John Kordic's death re media hype

I've been misspelling his name wrong, sorry 'bout that (not a hockey fan); his Wikipedia bio - John Kordic - says nothing about the allegations that "he died from a steroid overdose" which were widespread in the Canadian and pro sports media in the wake of his death; the coroner's inquest as you can see found he had 0.1 mg of cocaine in his system, the highest the coroner had ever seen; the hotel room at the Bonaventure Hotel was also littered with empty bottles of booze and various kinds of pills. I'll hunt around for press copy about the alleged steroid-death, but like the Benoit controversy, the death of the British bulldog, and Alzado's false assertion that steroids/GH had caused his brain cancer, all of t his might fall under a "negative hype" section somewhere, by whatever title. "Media demonization" is a big issue in the user community; how to present the subject in NPOV fashion will be tricky.Skookum1 (talk) 15:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Samuel Fussell

I think that's the right spelling, but I can't remember the book he wrote; a professional writer, he became part of the Venice bodybuilding scene, buddies and training partner with various name bodybuilders and powerlfiters, and afterwards published a highly negative "insider" look at the user community, which vilified him as a traitor...I'll try and find the book title, though I've never read it, only reviews; unless that's already a blue link?Skookum1 (talk) 15:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes here it is Muscle: Confessions of an Unlikely Bodybuilder (amazon.com). There's also a reference here in a GoogleBooks link from his brother (?) Samuel re Bodybuilding Americanus, a title I hadn't heard of before. see this google for apparently-related materials.Skookum1 (talk) 15:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

My mistake, it was Paul's son Samuel who wrote Muscle....I guess I remember Paul because he's so well-known in literary circles; at least one muscle-magazine review must ahve got the name wrong, also, as it stuck in my head that way (from 15 years ago or more)....Skookum1 (talk) 16:19, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

"Studies on addiction"

I'm suggesting that as a section-title....trying to find materials, no doubt you have some already. There's a Dr. Coleman in British Columbia who's a specialist in this area, and also in "regular" addiction as there as some kind of bio-causalities linking steroid use and "gateway" opioids such as Nubain and there are some high incidence/correlation figures with heroin and otehr drugs, e.g. percosets/oxycontin, cocaine, GHB, MDMA and not just to do with the obvoius analgesic uses; some theories within the community are the overlap occurs because of criminalization i.e. because the same people who may sell crank sell the other stuff also, and famliarity with needles is in itself gateway.... I'm not sure what Coleman has published, I think quite a bit, and am not sure of his first name so have asked a contact for that. Coleman is a specialist, also, in post-cycle therapy....I know ACTH, whatever that stands for, is used post-cycle but not sure how/why it works; Tamoxifen and clomid are used in-cycle, also, as preventives for gynecomastia and thyroid drugs are used as "hardeners". Back to addiction, this is controversial and like "marijuana addiction" seems largely trumped-up as it's not a physiological condition as with heroin or oxycontin, but rather psychological.....like peanut butter and fried foods....and chocolate...but there may be further materials/substance to it, but it seems propagandistic. The correlation between bodybuilding dieting and junk food bingeing actually has a study on it out there somewhere; NB many bodybuilding deaths have been the result of the use/abuse of diuretics, notably Lasix, and that shoudl be in here, perhaps in the "media hype/misrepresentation' section...once it exists.Skookum1 (talk) 15:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Further thought: is Gateway drug an article?Skookum1 (talk) 15:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, of course it is huh? I'll be back once I have some info on Coleman's work...Skookum1 (talk) 16:09, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

HRT dab page

Just to note I've added this and Androgen replacement therapy to the Hormone replacement therapy dab page; which maybe shouldn't be a dab page -??Skookum1 (talk) 16:09, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Celebrities and media hype: more

I'm just starting this section as a "dumping ground" for athletes and other celebrities whom the media or others have hyped their cause of death or other troubles as being caused by steroids, but which were disproven, though without hte media (and/or police/AMA/IOC) following-up and retracting their statements. This upon reading the Schwarzenegger section (btw there was a long-standing rumour he kept a dialysis machine in the trunk of his convertible....). In addition to Kordic above, and the British Bulldog:

• Jón Páll Sigmarsson died at 32 of a congential heart valve problem similar to Schwarzenegger's; media hype at the time was anti-steroid.
• Chris Benoit, 'nuff said
• Bret Hart - I think he's an anti-steroid crusader, not sure; claims not to ahve used, but talked readily about its use in Pro Wrestling.
• that's all for now, mostly started this because of Sigmarsson for now.......Skookum1 (talk) 17:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
• Davey Boy Smith's case (British Bulldog), where the coroner said AAS may have played a part in his death, and his brother-in-law blamed it on "steroid cocktails and GH abuse". See Davey_Boy_Smith#Death which could use some amendment, commenting that there is no evidence of mortalities connected directly to steroid use (from what I've heard it was a heart condition ? )...and it's not like that's the only kind of drug he was taking either....Skookum1 (talk) 21:18, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

use in HIV/AIDS and other wasting disease therapy

Perhaps this belongs on the main Anabolic steroids page, I'm not sure; Oxymetholone, Deca Durabolin adn various other drugs are regularly prescribed to combat muscle-wasting for HIV/AIDS patients/carriers....I believe there's also been some application either with multiple sclerosis or muscular dystrophy, perhaps both; and some have been self-prescribing from what I've read/heard as their doctors have the "negative stigma" about steroids and won't prescribe; this is abig issue in teh AIDS community where many self-prescribe and there is a parallel fear of risks from contaminated fakes/coutnerfeits; I remember a full-page ad in the Village Voice for oxymetholone, from the manufacturer, promoting its use and recommending HIV patients ask their doctors....Skookum1 (talk) 17:12, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of which, there is a high rate of usage within certain sectors of the gay community, HIV+ or not...I'll make a query with another WP:Canada editor who's involved with WP:LGBT and see what he may know in the way of sources about that. I think there's also some correlative studies out there regarding people who suffered bullying or other forms of abuse who took up steroid use to compensate; once again "recreational" barely comes close to the range of reasons...Skookum1 (talk) 21:22, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

This article is a complete piece of shit,

starting with the pretentious use of ergogenic in the title. This article is mainly a lot of rejected, false and falsely or misleadingly sourced paragraphs from old versions of Anabolic steroid before that article was improved to featured article level.This article contradicts the featured article on safety of steroids.The quality of writing is semiliterate and thuggish, which will signal steroid users that they will hear what they want to hear when they find this article. There isn't even a disclaimer. Are any of the people who wrote this shit steroid pushers? This article should be deleted rather than cleaned up.Rich (talk) 22:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

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