Talk:Eskimo kiss/Archive 1

Archive 1

January 2008

The following is from the Helpdesk I don't know enough about this to fix it, but maybe someone else can after seeing this users comment. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

The word Eskimo is bad language

I noted an artical on Eskimo Kiss but it is politically incorrect. Eskimo is a cree word and the Inuk are often referred to as Inuit. The only government that does not push this change is the USA. I do not know how to change things on wikipedia but can someone at least make it known immediatly in the artical that Eskimo is no longer used but Inuit is good.

Thank you,

Your Arctic defense against many nations in north america. And believe me it is busy up here since the channel opened from climate change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.234.63.82 (talk) 07:27, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I can understand the concern, but that is what the activity of rubbing noses as a greeting is commonly called. My solution would be to delete the article as non-notable and I will propose that.--ukexpat (talk) 17:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

On second thoughts, this is notable and I have removed the PRODWarning, my apologies.--ukexpat (talk) 17:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I also think it's notable, perhaps a small explanation can be given however that clarifies the "misnomer" that this apparently is? --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 19:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Having done some slight reading on the even less than rare web sources that there seem to be for "kunik", I think it might be an idea, to move the entire article to kunik and then discuss both topics at the same time... --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 20:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing really wrong using the term Eskimo, although it may sound pejorative mostly to Canadians, it isn't, and is part of the English language. You may want to check out Eskimo#Terminology: Eskimo and alternate terms & Origin of the name Eskimo. "Eskimo Kissing" is a far more widely used term and often refers to the western method of rubbing noses against each other, while the term kunik (the original Inuit form) returns almost no relevant results elsewhere. Eskimo Kissing is merely a term which is not aimed solely at Inuits, but has also been noted as a practice elsewhere, such as in parts of Asia and Africa [1] [2] [3] The actual Eskimo Kissing (kunik, or even Polynesian kissing), or 'rubbing of noses', varies per culture and region, so changing this page to 'kunik' would be less broad of a term and more useless than anything. -- Io Katai (talk) 22:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

The article, as Io Katai noted, is here because it's probably the most common name for this. If you look you can see that inukshuk (inukhuk or inuksuk), igloo (iglu) and kayak (qajaq) are at the English spellings and not one of the many Inuit language/Eskimo-Aleut languages dialects. The other thing is that there is no one single correct word for all the people living in the Arctic. Eskimo covers some people and Inuit covers some people. But Inuit is not the single correct term for all the people that live in Canada although most people believe it is. The article can't be moved to "kunik" as there is no indication that the word refers only to this practise. According to both the Inuinnaqtun-English Dictionary that I have and the Asuilaak Living Dictionary it just means "kissing". If the article requires moving then, based on the fact that other cultures do it, something like Nose kissing or Nose rubbing might be better. In the past 30 years I have only ever heard of kunik being used to refer to regular kissing. One problem I see with the article is that it, like some other Inuit/Eskimo articles, does not define how widespread the practise might have been. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 02:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I think what would probably be most helpful would be to leave the listing where it is but also possibly redirect searches for Kunik to the eskimo kissing page. I could be wrong- just my two cents. (Talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

As a result of this discussion, this article is moved to kunik, not vice versa. Thank you. ThanksgivingDay (talk) 18:07, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Next time please consult the talk page before moving the page. The discussion and concensus was keep the article as-is, not vice-versa. - Io Katai (talk) 23:23, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

"Bunny kissing"?

Final paragraph, on the supposed alternate term "bunny kissing", is completely unsourced. I've edited it to remove the reference to a third photo in the article, but the rest of the paragraph bugs me for some reason too. Not finding any Google results for the term in this context, nor for the supposed texting shorthand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AquaHaute (talk • contribs) 14:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Tried to clean it up and improve the language a little, but it's still entirely unsourced and unverifiable. Probably needs to go altogether.AquaHaute (talk) 14:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it should go, it's unsouced, and I can't find any info on it. I see the paragraph was removed, and it was added again, again with a reference to a photo not even on the page, I am going to revert it. Funkfrost (talk) 21:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

"Bunny kissing" exists in Peru

I have visited Peru many times, and in their local dialect Quechua, bunny kissing is a common phrase used. "Conechio bisichoa" is what is said. Fly to Peru and visit the locals in the Andes Mountains, and then you will understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Panboy (talk • contribs) 03:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Yupik kiss?

The article mentions only Inuit kissing, although reference [2] describes it among the Yupik too. The Yup'ik word for it may be "kunik" also; but I am suspicious that there would be only one word among the five Yup'ik languages and the Arctic-coast Inuit continuum of languages. Perhaps some Eskimo readers of this can shed some light. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.240.78.1 (talk) 00:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Arab Gulf kissing

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Image change?

I noticed that today (7 April 2020) there was an edit that changed the image to show an older woman touching her nose to the cheek of a child. The previous revision had an image of a male and female touching noses. I don't have a particular opinion about which is more correct - I am just noting that there is a rather dramatic difference between the two. Others with stronger opinions may (or may not) wish to debate the change. - Dyork (talk) 02:08, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

The old image is fine. These edits are coming in from brand new and unregistered users (perhaps the same person?) Whatever this greeting is going to be called ultimately for the title of this page, people around the world use this gesture, and we already have an image representing the cultural origins in the relevant section. Nelsonblaha (talk) 17:38, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

The old image (image of a male and female touching noses) breaks no image guidelines and is clearly a good example of an image with an educational purpose. There is no reason to remove or replace the old image according to said guidelines. Rakudaniku (talk) 18:41, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I think the change on April 7th was related to this podcast episode of "Ologies" [4]

The request by the podcast host was to change both the page title and lead picture to be more culturally-sensitive (as the term "Eskimo" is problematic and the lead photo would ideally show the cultural context this developed in). Do we have any good pictures we could consider using instead of the current lead? (that picture could still be included later in the article)

As for the page title, that might take some more work but we might also consider changing it to Nose Kissing or Kunik as well. Myoglobin (talk) 01:59, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Swapped the pictures and renamed the second picture's caption; still need to look into changing the page name. Myoglobin (talk) 02:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

The term is most-widely referred to and known as an "Eskimo Kiss", so changing the name has been discussed and dropped (see "The word Eskimo is bad language" above and conclusions). As for the image placement, the old lead (the two young people) adequately fits the initial description's "various cultures" and the generally-recognized gesture. The kunik displayed is more properly placed by the "Inuit" heading so that people will be educated on the Inuit custom. I have reverted the edit to match these comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.224.53.132 (talk) 19:54, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

That previous comment was by me. I accidentally wasn't logged in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinisterstarr (talk • contribs) 20:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

The discussion was in 2008 and things may have changed. I changed the caption to ensure that it is clear the couple are ont Inuit/Eskimo. Funny thing is but I've been in the Arctic since 1974 and I've never seen two people do that. On the other hand the Elder with the baby is common. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 04:28, 7 October 2020 (UTC)