Talk:Essex County, New Jersey

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Current Problems, very POV, factually inaccurate

This section needs a tremendous amount of work. The overall im pression one gets is that the taxes are so high, because, as is written in the article, the tax money is going to fund "ghetto east". Although there is SOME factual basis for the author's claims, I know that the bulk of my property taxes goes to Bloomfield.

Don't get me wrong, see my userpage for my political bias. This just needs a lot of work.

Its a VERY complicated issue, and even the counties with no "ghetto" pay enormous property taxes.

Further, I suspect that this is the work of User:Mr._Treason, a vandal from a year ago...

Roodog2k (talk) 19:23, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

I found this part to be somewhat POV, I mean the "ghetto east", sure there are some parts of the city of Newark and surrounding ares that are not the nicest places, but it's not "that" bad. This was obviously someone who the last time they paid attention to New Jersey was in like the 70's or something.

population density

the article previously stated The county is the seventh most densely populated in the nation, after the five boroughs of New York City (each of which is a unique county), Hudson County, and San Francisco County in California, which is made up entirely of the city of San Francisco. Alternately, Essex County could be described as the most densely populated "suburban" American county, since the six counties denser than it are all mostly, if not entirely, made up of a city or several cities.

This isn't true. First of all, seven counties are named there (the five boroughs plus two), not six. Second, there are other counties with population densities greater than Essex (6298 per square mile), including Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (11234 per square mile; the city and county are legally the same); Suffolk County, Massachusetts (11788 per square mile, contains Boston). I suspect that there are others, probably others containing major cities, but don't have the time to look for them right now.

Anyway, Essex County is not "suburban". Well, maybe some parts are, but no one has ever called Newark Suburban, so there are even fewer grounds for such a designation.

Livingston's Jewish Population

The Essex County, New Jersey and Livingston, New Jersey articles have conflicting statements.

The former states "...and especially Livingston, where the population is reportedly nearly 60% Jewish", while the latter states "Livingston is approximately 30% Jewish, one of the higher percentages of Jews in any American municipality".

60%, while certainly possible, seems innacurately high and I would be very interested in seeing the data to back it up. LoveOfFate 22:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

See the Talk Page of the Livingston, NJ article for more on this conversation. MKaiserman 00:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Even newer stuff posted on the Livingston Talk Page on the changes on this page and the Livingston, NJ page regarding the Jewish population of Essex County and Livingston. MKaiserman 05:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Dispute TONE/CONTENT

"I'm in denial so I don't want to admit that Newark, Irvington, and East Orange, do have some of the highest crime rates in the country, so instead I'll just turn this into a race issue when this is really a money issue."

remove sections

The editoralizing and apparently original research found in the two sections really bothers me. Its mostly uncited, and the use of weasel words color the article in such a way to exaggerate the issues and has the subtle effect of blaming Newark, East Orange, and Irvington for the counties issues.

Further, the other section in Demographics desribing where certain ethnic groups are migrating is pure speculation and at best an accurate emerical observation. No matter what, its unverifiable and further supports the tone of the article, which I would be inclined to call racist, if I were not assuming good faith.

I think we should consider removal of those sections.

Roodog2k 16:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Roodog2k 17:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

removed section

OK, removed the section which was more demographic information. This included commentary which was mostly emperical observation regarding demographics. Anyway, I kept the cited material, since it relevant and interesting, and merged that back into the demographic information. Roodog2k 13:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

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South Orange Village

South Orange Village is actually a township, which is reflected on the South Orange article and on the map of Essex County municipalities (South Orange is no. 21). I took the liberty of correcting the list of municipalities to reflect this fact. Perfectorange007 (talk) 02:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Essex County Flag

I am wonderring why the flag for the county is missing on this page. I have found the falg at the following link (http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-nj-ex.html), but I am unsure on the reasons why this is not added to Wikipedia already. AlbertTom (talk) 16:21, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, please feel free to add the flag and seal under fair use, with an appropriate reliable source. The seal was on the page for a while, but was removed because it didn't have the required fair use rationale (see above). --ChrisRuvolo (t) 17:19, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Map colors

Why does the map have a unique color for townships, but not for cities, towns, and boroughs? In New Jersey the names don't even correspond well to the form of local government, which I'd argue is more significant than the name. In Essex, Township of West Caldwell has a borough form of government, and Township of South Orange Village has a unique village form. JoeBrennan (talk) 14:46, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

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Overview needs an entire rework

The overview paints a very misleading image of the county. Firstly it’s description of “eastern Essex” is wrong. Citing “high crime rates” and then mentioning towns like Nutley and Belleville in the same sentence is absurd. It’s definition of West Essex is also incorrect: the Oranges, Montclair, etc are not considered West Essex by any stretch of the imagination. These are just a couple of the issues present in that section. I’ll likely come through eventually and fix this myself, but if someone else wants to come through and do it, please do. 2600:1001:B11C:1A09:38B5:827C:BB51:18AE (talk) 14:43, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Redoing the Overview

The Overview is poorly written and does not reflect the realities of how Essex County actually is. Very POV. EssexNNJ (talk) 19:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

EssexNNJ, what changes do you think should be made specifically? Also, are you affiliated with the town/city in some capacity? I only ask because your username suggests you might be. Reply here with any changes you think can be made. Thanks! SPF121188 ^{(talk this way) (contribs)} 19:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

No I just live here. The overview needs a change as it holds an inaccurate depiction of East Essex. It is also objectively wrong in certain areas, with outdated information. Also fairly POV - describing East Essex as an area of "high crime, high poverty" etc while describing West Essex in an opposite manner makes it very clear someone from West Essex with a strong bias edited this page to fit that. EssexNNJ (talk) 19:55, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

history

keep this section uncapitalized, as it contains no history. Looks like it never did. Topeka Sam (talk) 16:54, 12 July 2023 (UTC)