Talk:Estes Industries

Removal of 'Delete Flag'

I have removed the 'proposed for deletion' flag as:

• There is (are) currently many external references. As time permits additional information (and links) will be added and the article will continue to be improved.
• Doing a "google search" (g-hits) is not a valid method of research.
• This is a notable company; and the history which also now includes Centuri & Cox is worth preserving.

Bomarc (talk) 20:17, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Update and Edit

Estes was and is an important part of model rocket history. I will be updating the main article -- including removal of non-Estes (company) references and items that don't relate to / show Estes products. (example: the Total Impulse chart does not belong here). Any relevant info that is removed will be references elsewhere if appropriate to Estes. As Wikipedia keeps history - if someone disagrees, the info will still be there. Also note: There ARE reliable sources of info about Estes on the net (and other such references). Bomarc (talk) 19:25, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

The entire paragraph / section: It can be dangerous... should be removed, it does not belong with "Estes"; and is misleading. Bomarc (talk) 01:34, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

I have added notable accomplishments; for discussion and references:

→Cameroc (First camera on a model rocket)

→Cold power rocketry

→ Indoor launch of model rocket (Saturn V indoor launch at halftime of the Bluebonnet Bowl in the Houston Astrodome on December 31, 1969)

• done

References:

1. Model Rocket News Volume 10, No 1 February 1970

• done

2. Model Rocket Man http://www.vernestes.com/images/LAUNCH%20Articles/Launch%20-%20Bill%20Simon%20Interview-Correccted.pdf

• done

3. Video of Vern Estes operating 'Mabel' (The machine that made early Estes Motors)

• done

Note that I am show references from Vern Estes as a source. Vern Estes is no longer associated with Estes/Cox (in an official capacity); and this may result in a catch 22; not violate copyright and still have the references available (and links). Help?

Bomarc (talk) 22:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Pictures?

Can someone put some pictures of real Estes rockets on here? The cuurent upscale picture is nice, but's it's not of an actual Estes product and might be misleading since it is a high-power rocket, while Estes only produces low-power rockets. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC) I tried to post pics of my 45 yr. collection--couldnt figure out how to,,,am open to help. dan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dannymrmissile (talk • contribs) 14:18, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Max Total Impulse?

According to Reg-D, Model Rocket Engine Instructions, Estes Industries: the first letter of an Estes engine Equal, exactly, Total impulse or total power. "B" has twice the impulse of "A"; "C" has twice that of "B"; etc.

1/2 A = 1.25 Newton/seconds; A = 2.5 N/S; B = 5 N/S; C = 10 N/S; D = 20 N/S; exactly. Only the Average Thrust varies by the number after the letter.This follows a power curve.

The links at bottom of page for the footnotes no longer work and a would be wrong, anyway. A print of the power curve would be informative and corresponding numbers to all the Estes codes would be very informative.68.231.189.108 (talk) 18:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

As well as I know, the total impulse letters describe a range. It might be, though, that Estes claims the upper limit even when it should be less. Gah4 (talk) 05:42, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Picture of "Estes Engine"?

Also, the last engine in the picture is Not an Estes but a reloadable "composition" motor made by Aerotech, that would equal an Estes "F"; if they made them. (Estes engines were/are only one-time-use engines; they stress this point in safety info available to Parents.)68.231.189.108 (talk) 18:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I will be (trying to) update the pic. The last is not a re-loadable, it is a single use. The person who posted the image labeled it as a G40, and *is* a "G" (not "F"). Bomarc (talk) 19:25, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Please correct the name of Stine's firm...

As shown in an image from one of their products, found at http://plans.rocketshoppe.com/mmi/mmi002/mmi002.htm, the company's name was actually Model Missiles, Inc.

I don't know how to identify all the pages linking to the missnamed company page, other than the one for Estes Industries, so I don't feel comfortable making the change myself. --Dhugot (talk) 23:14, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I confirm that the company was Model Missiles, Inc. They sold scale Aerobee and Arcon models, engines, igniters, and a launch tower. The Estes Industries article doesn't mention G. Harry Stine, although I recall that Vernon Estes was somehow associated with him, perhaps through Mabel. Stine was reportedly the primary motivator behind the initial development of the model rocketry industry; he was motivated by the large number of news reports about enthusiastic kids (inspired by Sputnik, etc.) getting maimed or killed trying to build rockets before there was any source of safe, reliable engines.

— DAGwyn 71.179.2.197 (talk) 06:58, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Wayne Faust / death by lightning?

This edit by 97.124.148.192 (talk · contribs) added the text, "June 1969 Wayne Stanford Faust was struck by lightning while packing model rockets and died from burns 6-9-69"

Now this is clearly the sort of "exceptional claim that requires exceptional sources". As yet I haven't found anything to support the lightning strike, however I have found these:

• "Welcome New Employees" (PDF). The Estes Launch Pad (79). 18 April 1969. Wayne Faust is learning the peculiar traits of the engine making machines
• "In Memory of Wayne Faust" (PDF). The Estes Launch Pad (83). 13 June 1969. Funeral service will be held on Friday 13 June 1969, Evangel Baptist Church, Wheatridge, CO

So something happened. What though? Was he struck by lightning while packing rockets? Surely that would be a major incident at the plant? Was this merely a worker who was struck by lightning in Colorado (I understand lightning to be quite common in Colorado). Another ref is needed before we can add this to the main page, but it's worth investigation. Note that the Launch Pad carried death notices in every issue for relatives of workers, but that these were quite small. The notices for Wayne Faust were clearly something more than this.

Issue 80 (from http://plans.rocketshoppe.com/elp/1969/) of 2 May gives Wayne's birthday as 8 May. #82 of 30 May has a front page "Lest we forget" wreath, but no further details. #84 carries a facsimile letter of thanks from Mrs Wayne Faust & daughters.

I think this is potentially enough to support addition to the article (although in the main text, not infobox), but we'd still need to source the "lightning" aspect. I don't consider worker deaths in a factory to be notable (sorry, but it does happen). However lightning strikes around black powder would be. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:58, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

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Personally, I believe that this is a great and useful page, but I have had edits that I made deleted as being advertising what were much less advertising than this. What exactly is the rule? Gah4 (talk) 05:44, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Need more sources