Talk:Esther Tailfeathers

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 20:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that the "mythical love story" of Sami politician Bjarne Store-Jakobsen and Blackfoot physician Esther Tailfeathers is the subject of the 2014 film Bihttoš? Source: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/newfire/what-does-it-mean-to-come-of-age-1.3172991/filming-your-family-s-past-1.3173202 "My parents have this sort of mythical love story," is how she describes it.

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/George Webster (presenter)
  • Comment: Would like to use this as a second target for the Bjarne Store-Jakobsen hook in Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1, the nom for that hook is on board, will QPQ asap

Created by Valereee (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 72 past nominations.

Valereee (talk) 19:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC).

@Ornithoptera: Valereee (talk) 19:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: New enough, long enough, sourced and plagiarism free according to Earwig. The hook has been previously approved and everything seems to check out with me. If there are no issues everything should be fine with me. Great job Valereee, you've done an amazing job in taking initiative creating this article. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Ornithoptera and Valereee: I find it concerning that both the source given for the hook and the source in the article for the marriage don't actually name the father/husband. I see it in [1], which is used in the articles, so that source should be replicated. Noting also that the relevant Bjarne Store-Jakobsen sentence has not been adapted to note the film has two stars. CMD (talk) 00:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Just noting here that I've pulled Bjarne from prep; it can go back in when Esther's been approved. I've added the reference myself.--Launchballer 09:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

per DYK Talk Valereee (talk) 11:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, I'll complete the review since I've somewhat started, pretty much confirming the work of Ornithoptera, and I echo the appreciation of the quick work here. Since it's in the hook, also a quick note of appreciation to Ornithoptera for the detailed article on what seems quite an impactful person.

This article is new and long enough. It is adequately sourced. Running a few spotchecks I found no plagiarism (unless "a member of the Kainai First Nation" is not a common phrasing, which I feel it is but this is not an area I am highly versed in). I mentioned one sourcing quibble above, and noticed but did not mention the far too short lead, but Launchballer handled both of these. On the hook itself, I do not have access to two of the sources used across both articles, but it is backed up by the source I mentioned above which is already in both articles. Before approval, I note the Bjarne Store-Jakobsen article and the Esther Tailfeathers article frame the hook sentence a bit differently, either they are joint focuses or he is the main focus. The wikilinks to the Esther Tailfeathers article should also be adjusted on the Bjarne Store-Jakobsen article, as they don't seem to reflect the page creation. I would also like to know which source mentions the divorce, as I didn't find that in my spotchecks. Best, CMD (talk) 11:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey, Chipmunkdavis, thanks for the review! I've asked Ornithoptera to take a look at those three sections, as they have seen the film while I don't have access to it. From the reviews it looks like we could possibly tweak to

ALT0a: ... that the "mythical love story" of Sami politician Bjarne Store-Jakobsen and Blackfoot physician Esther Tailfeathers is a focus of the 2014 film Bihttoš?

As the film deals not only with his and his wife's relationship but also with that of him and his daughter, and the film investigates how his experiences in the residential schools informed those relationships. Valereee (talk) 13:30, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Works for me as an alt. It doesn't sound like the whole film is easily encapsulated in 200 characters, but the mythical love story aspect is hooky and prominent in the relevant sources. Waiting for Ornithoptera to confirm, I am copying over the relevant DYKmake coding here which should™️ ensure it gets copied over when this is promoted to my understanding. CMD (talk) 13:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Chipmunkdavis:! Thank you for taking the time to go through the article. There are a few questions that are raised in this discussion that I have missed that I will do my best to answer. Stofjell's article Elsewheres of Healing: Trans-Indigenous Spaces in Elle-Máijá Apiniskim Tailfeathers' Bihttoš is the primary source in terms of mentioning the divorce ("Tailfeathers uses Bihttoš totell the story of her parents’ marriage and divorce against the backdrop of agrowing global Indigenous rights movement") and Elle-Maija's mother ("The interspersed archival photographs are well-lit, but the liveaction sequences, featuring Elle-Máijá, her Kainai mother Esther Tailfeathers") and father ("Among other things, it is also very much a film honoring her father (“Áhčči”), Bjarne Store-Jakobsen"). If I have missed any other questions that require addressing please let me know and I'll do my best to adjust accordingly! Ornithoptera (talk) 16:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, and thanks all for the edits made to the articles. Go for ALT0a multi-hook then. Best, CMD (talk) 00:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)