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Article name

The proper capitalization for the article name is "ethnic studies", as it is an academic subject, not a proper noun. Howee improperly moved this article from Ethnic studies to Ethnic Studies by not using the Movepage function. Instead, the page was manually copied over. As a result, I had to move the page back in a similar manner. —MementoVivere 06:52, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Right wing critics

The articile attributes a number of criticisms of ethnic studies to right wingers that I have heard expressed by left wingers, I'll change that bit.

Attributing all criticism to right is a slant in favour of ethnic studies. I will do better disambiguation. FWBOarticle 18:43, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Clean up

This page desprately needs to be cleaned up, over half is devoted to criticisms of ethnic studies ( I am not saying we should reduce the size of this section, just that we should increase the size of the rest of the articile) it needs subheadings, I think it could probably use a fact checking and it seems a bit POV ( i.e the overall "feel" given off by the articile is that the only critics of ethnic studies are right wing nuts, and that it's critics are racists and have absolutely no case for there beliefs.) Very little introduction is given to the actual theories of Ethnic studies ( schools of thought should be covered). There are no pictures ( in an articile this important there should be at least one picture for aesthetic effect.) It sounds like it's largely the result of a "debate" between a anti ethnic studies wikipedist and a pro ethnic studies wikipedist ( I don't know if this actually happened, but it sounds like this, and that's not good.) Hence I ask any passing adminstrator to label this articile as in need of a clean up, and consider putting a POV concern tag, the articile could also use a peer review.

Ward Churchill is a poor representative of Ethnic studies, and a marginal figure within the field. Yet the criticism section is almost wholly focused on controversy regarding him. The entire article, consequently, looks as if it was written by a journalist with an eye for sensationalist controversy, but no knowledge of the field(s) of ethnic studies.--JStripes 16:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

In Academia

There is no mention of schools that have ethnic studies departments. In California, UCB and UCSD have ethnic studies departments that grant B.A. and PhD degrees.

Also, there is no discussion regarding ethnic studies vs. the study of individual racial groups (e.g. African American studies). There are different ways of how this plays out for undergraduate programs, and here are examples:

UCLA: Has individual and seperate departments for major racial groups. (e.g. Asian American Studies)

UCB: Has an Ethnic Studies Department which offers programs in Asian American, Chicano, and Native American studies, in addition to a more broad Ethnic Studies program. It should be noted that African American studies is its own department. SFSU's College of Ethnic Studies is organized in a similar fashion to UCB, but includes Africana Studies.

UCSD: Has a single Ethnic Studies department with a single Ethnic Studies program. Focus on a single racial or ethinc group is not allowed.

The difference in organization alludes to the difference in teaching methods and focus. UCSD's Ethnic Studies program in general is arguably more comparative and theoretical than a singular racial study program, while these programs such as Asian American studies are obviously more specific.

I would like to look into some courses at Georgetown University regarding ethnic studies or similar courses. I would be interested if anyone has any information regarding Georgetown. Isaacschley (talk) 17:26, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Myths Debunked

Ethnic Studies is not the mere study of easily recognizable cultural aspects such as food and holidays.

As 'ethnic' infers people of color, it may come as a suprise that "whiteness" is a site of study in the field. Lipsitz and Omi and Winant are more well-known scholars on this topic. The introduction, in fact, may be too simplistic as it states that ethnic studies only studies minority peoples. While this is true, the field also includes race and knowledge theory that does not study a specific racial or ethnic group per se, but studies race in general.

Links

The link to the Asian Nation website could be miscategorized and would be better in the Asian Americn Studies page.

Ethnic Minorities vs. Ethnicity

I changed the first sentence to say "ethnicity" instead of "ethnic minorities". I assume by "ethnic minorities" what was meant was people of colour. Apart from the fact that the term "ethnic minorities" is a misnomer in many contexts, it isn't even correct to say that Ethnic Studies is limited to them. Increasingly, it deals with studies of "whiteness", and so "ethnicity" is more succinct, more clear, and more accurate.

Latino and Chicano?

They're completely different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.197.139.196 (talk) 17:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Black people and white people are completely different, in the respect you mean. Chicanos and Latinos are distantly related. Mr.troughton (talk) 10:14, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

POV

Attributes criticisms to the abstract right without any references, and does not list any actual criticisms, just the defense. NativeForeigner ^Talk 21:33, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

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Citations

While most of the facts mentioned in his article are referenced and cited, there are many gaps in between facts where multiple paragraphs would go without references or citations. Examples include the references to strikes demanding the establishment of ethnic studies departments across various campuses. There are no citations for the references to these strikes. The link to the citation at the very end of the History section only references the establishment of the ethnic studies department at Columbia.

The phrasing throughout the article sounds biased against right-wing conservatism. While it is important to note the opposition posed by such individuals, the diction of the article should convey a neutral voice. Witherwingsblog (talk) 05:53, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Citation 93 no longer links to the article it references. Isaacschley (talk) 18:10, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Arizona Ban

I would like to look into local events, coverage, and fallout from the ban of the course and HB 2281. Isaacschley (talk) 17:28, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

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Problematic sentence

The following sentence appears in the § History section, and has several problems:

Courses in ethnic studies address that traditionally, the role of Asian Americans, Blacks, Mexicans, Latinos and Native Americans in American history are undervalued and ignored because of Euro-centric bias and hegemonic racial and ethnic prejudice.

1. The subject of the verb "address" is an over-long and complex phrase, which includes both an assertion and an argumentative dependent phrase to support that assertion. Consequently, it's difficult to read and needs simplifying.
2. The adjective "traditionally", referring to the assertion mentioned above, carries the wrong connotation, and might more accurately be replaced by "systematically".
3. The assertion has a subject "role" and verb "are" that disagree in number.
4. The assertion is argumentative and unsupported by references, so should not be implied to be a fact. However, that it describes some widespread perceptions is undeniable.
5. The passive forms in "undervalued and ignored" avoid naming the agents responsible, that is, just who "undervalues and ignores [the role etc.]"? Since we're talking about "American history", perhaps those responsible are "American historians".
6. The list of ethnic minorities is surely exemplary, rather than exhaustive.
7. Although "hegemonic" is just a five-cent word like any other, Mark Twain would have preferred being paid for the several words of a paraphrase such as "of those in power". And that would be much clearer to most readers.
8. The sentence lacks a citation to any reliable source.

Thus, I propose and intend to make the following replacement (changes in italics):

Courses in ethnic studies address perceptions that, because of the Eurocentric bias and racial and ethnic prejudice of those in power, American historians have systematically ignored or undervalued the roles of such ethnic minorities as Asian Americans, Blacks, Mexicans, Latinos and Native Americans.

Some scholar in the field may be more readily able than I to find suitable sources to support (or improve) this statement. yoyo (talk) 17:33, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Lack of citations

Added "Original research|date=May 2018" and "Refimprove section|date=May 2018" tags for the article. All the sections seem to miss citations at least for one or two claims presented. Lead section as well as the history section doesn't cite any sources at all. Please remember to add sources for all the information and claims you present. Non-sourced claims are worthless as anyone can make them as much as they like and such editing devalues Wikipedia as encyclopedia. This seems to have been a problem for some time already as the article is quite old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MayMay7 (talk • contribs) 12:35, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Inherency

The article says, "Ethnic studies ... emerged as an academic field ... partly in response to charges that traditional social science and humanities disciplines such as anthropology, history, literature, sociology, political science, cultural studies, and area studies were conceived from an inherently Eurocentric perspective." (Emphasis mine.) This raises the question as to whether early promoters of ethnic studies claimed that these disciplines were conceived from an "inherently" Eurocentric perspective. If so, the word "inherently" must stay, but otherwise I believe it should be removed. Something is inherent if it is naturally part of something. The need for oxygen is inherent in the human condition. Eurocentricity of academic disciplines is not. At any time, students, faculty, researchers, writers, and authors in academic disciplines can expand their conceptions, in part by including other perspectives in their work. There is nothing inherent in a Eurocentric perspective on anthropology, history, literature, sociology, political science, cultural studies, and area studies, and if scholars of ethnic studies are successful, their non-Eurocentric perspectives could overwhelm any existing Eurocentric bias in these fields. If early promoters of ethnic studies claimed that these disciplines were conceived from an "inherently" Eurocentric perspective, there should be a discussion of why they claimed inherency; otherwise the word "inherently" should be removed. I have no expertise on this, I am just wandering by. —Anomalocaris (talk) 09:26, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Making Significant Changes

Hello, I am a student who is working on a school assignment, and I am drafting some significant changes to the ethnic studies page that I wanted to share before I live publish any of the changes. Throughout the article I will be adding sources, mainly from my university's online library, to the {citation needed} spots, as well as several other sentences that I believe should be cited. In terms of adding content, I will be developing the Schools of thought section of the article. I was looking to include information on several major disciplines within ethnic studies such as African American Studies, Native American Studies, Asian American Studies, and others. This information consists of the origin of that specific discipline, a description of what it focuses on, significant scholars and developers of the field, and some prominent ideologies within the disciplines. I was also considering changing the section title from "Schools of thought" to something along the lines of "Disciplines within ethnic studies", or "Subfields of ethnic studies". I may make more changes, but these are my priorities at the moment, so I will consult the talk page again before then. I would appreciate any feedback someone may have on these ideas, and am excited to improve the article. RossKuj (talk) 13:15, 27 November 2019 (UTC)RossKuj

Criticism section is weak

The criticism section quotes no actual critics of ethnic studies scholarship, gives the false impression that all criticism of such scholarship is right-wing, and spends more time defending the scholarship than it does laying out the criticisms. There are plenty of high-profile academic critics of ethnic studies scholarship--it should not be hard to include some.

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I think the lead needs to state somewhere that ethnic studies examines historical accomplishments and resistance of marginalized people of color to hegemonic subjugation, assimilation and erasure. (something like that)Marcywinograd (talk) 21:48, 19 May 2022 (UTC) I think the lead is a little misleading (lol) "Ethnic studies, in the United States, is the interdisciplinary study of difference—chiefly race, ethnicity, and nation, but also sexuality, gender, and other such markings—and power, as expressed by the state, by civil society, and by individuals." Ethnic studies courses do not, as far as I am aware, focus on sexuality and gender, but as this article states later on ethnic studies focuses on key ethnic groups that have been the target of discriminatory practices in US history; African Americans, Latinx, Asian American (or AAPI) andMarcywinograd (talk) 21:55, 19 May 2022 (UTC) Native American

Ethnic studies vs ethnology

Can someone explain to me what's the difference between "ethnic studies" and "ethnology"? They seem to be very similar, the only difference being that "ethnic studies" are basically ethnology but in the US and invoking mainly minority groups in the US, and also mainly focused on the history of oppression and marginalisation while ethnology would analyse the groups in general, including their marginalisation but also talking about their culture, history, the civilizations they were a part of, language, etc. Can someone explain please? 81.65.73.23 (talk) 21:55, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

California high schools: section NPOV issue

The subsection, as currently written, is both out of date and is wholly celebratory in a toned-down journalistic manner. California’s ethnic studies mandates at high school and college level, and in particular the Model Curriculum, have been extremely controversial. And I don’t mean some talking head on Fox spewing about the latest developments in my state. RS extensively document the widespread criticisms on both general matters and specific areas. I’m tempted to cut the whole subsection but I’m not in the mood for potential disputes.

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NY State

Removed this content:

The New York State government has implemented the Dignity for All Students Act (DASA) which requires administrative, supervisory, and student service personnel to be trained in "Harassment, Bullying, Cyber bullying, and Discrimination in Schools: Prevention and Intervention". In this case, ethnic studies is framed through the lens of "bullying" as a challenge for minority students to get the most out of their education in a safe classroom environment. For the creators of DASA, bullying has the potential to disrupt a student's bodily and emotional safety.

DASA aims to do the following:

• DASA is designed to protect public schools students from bullying by employees or other students based on actual or perceived race, color, weight, national origin, ethnic group, religion, religious practice, disability, sexual orientation, gender, or sex.
• DASA requires schools and districts to revise codes of conduct to prohibit bullying and promote a bully-free environment, and to include age-appropriate versions of the policy in codes of conduct. School districts will be required to post codes of conduct on their websites by July 1, 2013.
• DASA requires K-12 schools to incorporate curriculum that promotes awareness of and sensitivity to discrimination and diversity as part of civility and citizenship classes.
• DASA requires every school to nominate a Dignity Act Coordinator that will be responsible for handling incidents of bullying.
• DASA requires schools to collect and report data on bullying to the New York State education commissioner at least once a year.
• DASA prohibits retaliation against anyone who reports incidents of bullying.
• DASA holds the State education commissioner responsible for helping school districts develop effective responses to bullying that are focused on solutions, intervention and education.

Barely mentions ethnic studies so really hard to see the relevance, undersourced (with solitary reference a dead primary source), possibly WP:OR. DrIdiot (talk) 01:52, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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