Talk:Ethnopluralism

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Ethnic cleansing

Hey Grayfell, your new rephrase is better but I believe the part about the Jews and the Roma being the reason for the ethnic cleansing was not editorializing. Your source states that:

However, there are two groups who tend to be absent from the ethnopluralist world map: the Jews and the Roma. The implicit assertion of multi-fascism is that these must be eliminated in order to make room for a peaceful utopia.

Is this not where the ethnic cleansing bit came from? (And personally that seems like a poor argument by the scholars in question, but obviously there's not a plethora of sources on this concept so I think the argument should be just attributed and explained better.) --Pudeo (talk) 00:08, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I think see what you meant, now. I do not think the latter paragraph was intended to imply an exclusive causal link to ethnic cleansing. The source isn't saying that this qualifies as ethnic cleansing only because of Romani and Jewish people would be excluded, so this conclusion does seem like editorializing. I'll take a shot at adding this in a way that might address your concerns. Grayfell (talk) 00:35, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Hmm... Well, since the bit about Romani and Jews was already mentioned, I've rearranged the article and consolidated the two sections into one. Hopefully this makes the article more readable and simplifies the info about Benoist, Muslim ghettos, and antiziganism/antisemitism. Grayfell (talk) 00:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

OK. --Pudeo (talk) 11:32, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Clarify neo-fascist as not being associated with ALL 'ethnopluralists'?

Henning Eichberg who coined the term in 1973 used it later in loads of anarchist, far left, and new left publications with some support. He used to cite anti-fascist resistance fighters and german publications from the weimar era etc., and promoted third world anti-imperialist leftist nationalist 'ethnopluralist' movements. Although at first he was associated with the nouvelle droite and all that. New left publication Telos has also used the term pretty extensively. Scholarly opponents like marxist-gramsciist Tamir Bar-On (also active in new left areas and stuff like Telos which is where their feud originates) are the ones responsible for the neo-fascist smear (which however I would agree is a p accurate smear for academia troll de Benoist), and this in reference primarily to de Benoist and his GRECE and the various more or less neo-nazi racist groups that have been using the term, but also early Eichberg. Thus I'd argue the term is used by the new right and their neo-fascist friends, other neo-fascists and associated groups, but also, and quite significantly so, within modern new left, 'nationalist left', anarchist etc. groups. Thus I'd kindly ask our Dear Leader Grayfell - who will just revert any edits anyway - to please add 1. WHEN the term was coined in the intro, and 2. That it has been used quite extensively not only in fringe far right groups, but also in fringe new left groups and even in anarchist groups which AFAIK are not neo-fascists.85.194.2.53 (talk) 10:29, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I will revert any edits which are not supported by reliable sources. Do you have reliable sources? Grayfell (talk) 01:52, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Source of "world in which many worlds can fit" concept

The concept of "world in which many worlds can fit" is usually associated with the Zapatista movement which is (in its Wikipedia article) described as “libertarian socialist, anarchist, and Marxist”. Is there a source for its use as describing the goals of ethnopluralism? If not, I would suggest to delete the statement. Simulo (talk) 18:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

The source is provided. Google Books preview. Deland, Mats; Minkenberg, Michael; Mays, Christin (2014). In the Tracks of Breivik: Far Right Networks in Northern and Eastern Europe. LIT Verlag Münster. p. 58. ISBN 9783643905420.