Talk:Eugénie Hamer

GA Review

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Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 00:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey BennyOnTheLoose, thanks for picking her up. She's one of those women I've been wanting to write for years, but not enough sources had been digitized. I appreciate the opportunity to collaborate with you to improve it. SusunW (talk) 14:32, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   c. (OR):

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism): I reviewed matches over 3% found using Earwig's Copyvio Detector. No concerns.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): Two images are PD, no known restrictions on the other.

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions): Relevant. Positioning is fine. Good captions and ALT text.

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

Early life and education

• Spot check on Little is known of her early life - no issues.

Activism

• Optionally, say a little about the purposes of the Cercle des Dames de la Croix Rouge. (I don't think that Red Cross requires a wikilink though.)

• I'm not sure how I would source this. I can't find anything specifically related to Belgium, but from what I can see in sources from Montreal and Paris, it was the women's auxiliary of the Red Cross. Perhaps the easiest way is to just link Women's Circle to Auxiliaries, which I've done. SusunW (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Again optionally, if sources allow, add a little about the purposes of the Alliance Belge pour la Paix par l'Éducation.

•  Done SusunW (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Is it worth wikilinking Peace Congress?

•  Done SusunW (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• requiring her care - consider rewording, as I don't think it's true that Hamer's brother required her care.

• Actually both sources indicate that. Laqua states "she remained in Belgium and cared for her brother, who had been injured in combat with the Germans". (My reading on her indicated that her pacifist friends tried to get her to leave the country, but she refused because she wanted to take charge of his recuperation.) Perhaps it is clearer to say that "She nursed him back to health." If that works  Done SusunW (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Spot check on Hamer was known for her pacifism, but struggled with her patriotic feelings, advocating that peace could not occur until Belgium was liberated - no issues.
• Spot check on They drove to Essen, where they were frisked to the skin and then walked two hours to reach Roosendaal in the Netherlands. - no issues. Source has "searched to the skin" and a similar construction about them walking, but IMO ther is not a problem, per WP:LIMITED.

Career

• writing on diverse topics about art, - maybe something like "including" instead of "about"? (Also applies to the lead)

•  Done both places SusunW (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Spot check on She published two books... - no issues.
• There's a slight inconsistency in whether translations of titles are provided - is there a rationale for this?

• I'm old and forgetful? Actually, it's a mental block. I find it totally weird that en.wp translates things like journals, papers, and buildings that are never translated out of their native tongue. (We don't attempt to translate Palazzo Pitti or Le Figaro in our articles on same, but if those are included within an article we translate them. What we do to Spanish institutions is even crazier. Absolutely no one calls UNAM (Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México) the National Autonomous University of Mexico that except English speakers. So weird. Perhaps I've fixed it? I tried anyway, but let me know if I missed something. SusunW (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• There's Touring Club de Belgique, but that's probably so close to the English that no translation is required. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 07:11, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Awards and honors

• awarded the Victory and Commemoration Medal and the Plaque of Honor by the Red Cross - unfortunately my preview of the book doesn't include page 306 - if it gives a date when this was awarded, that detail could be added.

• It doesn't and search as I might, I could not find another source that might help clarify. SusunW (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Death and legacy

• Spot check on At the time of her death, she was remembered for her writing, as well as her pacifism and war service - no issues.

See also / Selected works / Notes

• Looks like the "See also" should be after "Selected works" per MOS:ORDER.

• fixed. SusunW (talk) 14:32, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• All good - but see the comment above about "diverse topics about"

Excellent work, SusunW (and Ipigott). Obviously a lot of work has gone into researching and writing this, and I have only the most modest of suggestions to make. I made a few minor formatting changes as it was quicker than listing them out. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

BennyOnTheLoose, I think I have addressed your concerns, but if I have not, please ping me. I always enjoy working with you. SusunW (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses, SusunW, it's aways a pleasure to work with you too, as it involves reading interesting articles and receiving consrtuctive, thoughtful responses to whatever little suggestions and queries I have. I'm satisfied that the article meets the GA criteria, so am passing it. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 07:11, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 14:23, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

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1915 Belgian delegation - Hamer seated on right

• ... that to attend the 1915 Women at the Hague Congress, Eugénie Hamer and the Belgian delegates (pictured) drove, were frisked, walked two hours, and the took a train? Source: p 210
  • ALT1: ... that Eugénie Hamer and the Belgian delegates (pictured) to the 1915 Peace Congress got the German occupation administrators to give them travel documents? Source: same
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Frances Helen Prideaux

Created by SusunW (talk) and Ipigott (talk). Nominated by SusunW (talk) at 16:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Eugénie Hamer; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I reviewed this for GA, and hope that it's OK for me to review for DYK too. The picture is, I think, clear enough at this size to represent the delegation. Both propsoed hooks are fine - I prefer the first. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:00, 15 March 2023 (UTC)