Talk:Eurobeat

Sabi

This word just means "chorus," as in the chorus of a song. It's not specific to eurobeat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.102.91.180 (talk) 10:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Wrong, the word Sabi means 'climax portion of melody' in Japanese language.

Japanese Eurobeat

Is there such a term for this? Or is it all called Eurobeat regardless of who made the song? While I find this to be a very ridiculous question, a parallel question of this nature does exist. KyuuA4 16:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

J-euro? Basicly that's eurobeat sung in Japanese/sung by Japanese artists.

All the Japan-related stuff in the article is really contentious and needs sourcing. Particularly the supposedly authoritative discussion of song 'formulas' and beat types as if it is accepted knowledge, when it is nothing of the sort. IMHO a lot of that stuff needs cutting away until it can be show to be something more than fan pedantry and personal opinion; it's not encyclopedic. Gunstar hero —Preceding comment was added at 17:34, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, I think a major pruning is required, or it should be shifted to another article. And there isn't a lot of information and history on the continent the genre originated from... 78.133.71.148 (talk) 13:26, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Thirded. I find it absolutely laughable in a supposedly encyclopedic article.Jolta (talk) 22:10, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Labels

An anon added 'Discowarp' to the labels section. A google search returns 172 results... doesn't seem notable enough for an encyclopedia entry, since wikipedia is not an advertising vehicle. "Boom Boom Beat" sems to be linkspam as well so I'm removing that, the others listed are notable labels as far as I'm concerned.--W.marsh 06:16, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Apparently you have little to no knowledge of Eurobeat at all. Boom Boom Beat is a label, however it may not be high on the Search Engines - what is the point of removing it? I am adding it after posting this, to whoever edits this Eurobeat page in the furutre please have knowledge of Eurobeat before editing it - as, Hyper Techno is NOT Eurobeat - it has similiarities, as all Electronic music does. Please do research before blabbing about incorrect information.Krazyche3to 19:46, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Insulting people is not really a good way to make an argument. And I'll edit whatever pages I want, thank you very much. But I'm not all that opposed to leaving Boom Boom Beat up there.

As for 24.11.86.142's edits, I still don't see how diskowarp belongs there. And saying "Your number one resource for Eurobeat information first" is pretty POV, so I'm reverting that. --W.marsh 19:58, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

W.Marsh, BBB and Diskowarp are two important labels in the Eurobeat series, and as a wiki entry it would be proper to allow all truthful information on the genre there for those wanting to learn more. Limiting the information on this entry just because you don't know about it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be there. Be more open, learn more about the genre yourself, learn about what you have cited wrong and what you didn't know about, and everyone will benefit more from this entry. The last thing Eurobeat fans want is false information published about the genre... and just because you initiated this entree, it doesn't mean you know everything. There are multiple pieces of information on this page that are false as is. Don't taint the inquiring minds of Eurobeat with inaccurate information.

Disko Warp Records is in fact a record label making eurobeat music. This is a page about Eurobeat music. Why are they being removed?

Which of their songs is eurobeat, then? DiscoWarp is more of a dance music producing label than a eurobeat label.

Disko Warp has a song called "Pussy Game" on their website which is definitely eurobeat. I talk to Pete Ellison occasionally and he is in fact working on several eurobeat tracks. I've also added the eurobeat label The Paradise Last who's made a good amount of eurobeat songs which can all be heard on their website. Just because the artist's songs aren't on a worldwide label doesn't mean they don't make eurobeat. For God's sake people this is an internet page. Just fill it with the relevant details and not constricting it with your warped views on this is this and this is not this.

This page is really only relevant to the Eurobeat labels that evolved from Italo Disco to AVEX's Super Eurobeat... Diskowarp and others are just North American dance labels that out of every 4-5 songs they produce, sounds somewhat similar to Eurobeat. You could possibly add a section regarding the influence on this genre to other music / labels elsewhere in the world because a few independent dance labels have remixed Eurobeat songs to their style, or had their songs remixed to Eurobeat by Eurobeat labels... that does deserve some notoriety. BUT... to actually label Diskowarp as a label amongst the likes of A-Beat C, Delta, Time Records, etc. is a bit too far fetched. 216.113.168.128 (talk) 21:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

There is so much opinion and POV in this article that it is for the most part completely useless for information, and there are almost no dates for anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.170.59.139 (talk) 03:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Saiba?

Does anyone have any proof that "saiba" is a term used in the Eurobeat industry/scene? It doesn't turn up any relevant hits on Google and is not used by anyone on the Eurobeat Prime forum.

The term Saiba seems to be a typo - unless I'm gravely mistaken - of the term Sabi (short for Sabishigaru, not to be mistaken for another Japanese term, Wabi-sabi), which is a japanese term meaning "to remember someone or something". This refers to the simple fact that you usually remember the chorus (refered to as Sabi) opposed to the rest of a Eurobeat song when you hear it for the first time, rather than the actual lyrics (which can sometimes be rather mind-boggling when you sit down and try to decipher them). People often talk about the "Eurobeat Blueprint" as being: Intro -> A-melody (verse) -> B-melody (bridge) -> Sabi (refrain) -> Intro -> A-melody and so on. (Also notice how those 4 terms can form the word SABI...coincidence?)

--Daniel V. Gruno 01:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm a little confused, "sabisigaru" in modern Japanese doesn't mean to remember someone, but rather to feel lonesome/miss somebody. --110.233.187.97 (talk) 14:25, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

It's because the term originally comes from Japanese-style music where the singer is emoting their loneliness. c.f. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B5%E3%83%93 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.114.147.77 (talk) 15:51, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Wrong Information...

This goes for not only this entry but all the other entries regarding Eurobeat, the artists etc... can we stop posting wrong information and rumors? If you only think you know something don't state it as fact. Thanks... 66.183.157.253 19:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Chapter One Records and Para Para Records

Why isn't there any information about these? Also, there doesn't seem to be anything about the j-euro from DJ Yosshi etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.225.89.110 (talk) 15:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Unnecessarily long?

I feel like this entire article is extremely long-winded and confusing, especially if you're not already somewhat familiar with eurobeat. 76.170.96.120 (talk) 07:34, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Absurdly long, lacks references

This whole article has next to no references for a large amount of text and contains way too much information, especially considering that most of it is not useful/even necessarily comprehensible to someone not already familiar with the genre. If all that detail really is necessary, it needs to be referenced correctly, especially when claims about an artist or label's importance or legacy are made. Also, since the article describes two distinct genre of music that share a name but have disparate stylistic, geographical and cultural origins, perhaps two pages are necessary. 58.6.184.163 (talk) 07:41, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Removed section "labels and sub-genres"

Which was a mess of unencyclopedic tone and had absolutely no references, in addition to being overly long and detailed. With the separate category for artists and list of compilations this is redundant information anyway. The talk page indicates people finding the section problematic as far back as 2007/8 with no constructive attempts to alter the material.203.166.241.200 (talk) 10:16, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Removal of the "sabi" section.

As the whole segment was nonsensical, I've simply removed it. Sabi in modern Japanese simply means the chorus, and the most accepted etymology is that it derives from sabigoe (寂声), a term used to describe a particular type of voice in traditional Japanese music/theater. And yes, sabigoe has everything to do with wabi-sabi. Bidouleroux (talk) 18:16, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Comment

Is it just me, or is this article dripping with sarcasm? Eg. "Often these lyrics are extremely original and feature intricate vocals, such as the sole use of clever words such as fire and desire[sic]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.146.60.144 (talk) 00:09, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Maybe we should list this article for deletion

It's pretty much one big [citation needed] and even its definition is uncited and it's been that way for years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.82.82 (talk) 10:37, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

It seems preposterous that we should axe the article about an obviously-important musical genre because the article isn't very good. 73.114.147.77 (talk) 15:49, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

British Eurobeat origin

The info box reads that British Eurobeat has its origins in Britpop, Euro disco and dance-pop and that it appeared in the mid 80s. The article for Britpop defines it as a sub-genre of alternative rock and that it appeared in 1992 in UK (so, at least the place is correct) according to:

"Journalist John Harris has suggested that Britpop began when Blur's single "Popscene" and Suede's "The Drowners" were released around the same time in the spring of 1992."

So, how is this possible? Did any Britpop artist travel back in time to influence on British Eurobeat? Can anyone fix this time paradox? Thanks (in advance?,... he, he)!

George Rodney Maruri Game (talk) 07:08, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

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The truth history about Eurobeat

Check it out: http://eurobeat-prime.com/history.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by WesternUniverse (talk • contribs) 22:05, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

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I accidentally blanked the "Themes" section without noticing!

Help pliz —59.19.11.210 (talk) 03:56, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Why are the audio files so LOUD?

Is it just me, or are the two examples at the top unnecessarily loud? Even with my headphones on 50% volume (Ubuntu) playing them at the start was extremely loud, especially the sounds at the start and I could hear it clearly even if my headphones are on the table. Reduce volume edit? --Liftyee (talk) 21:45, 10 January 2021 (UTC)