Talk:European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages

Which countries and which languages?

It'd be very useful for this page to include a list of the 25 Member States, their official languages and for which other languages they have ratified this Charter. For example, English is the de facto official language of the UK but, without looking at Languages in the United Kingdom I wasn't sure whether any of Scots Gaelic, Irish Gaelic, Scots or Ullans were recognised or not (I only know Welsh is, because I'm Welsh myself) — OwenBlacker 13:29, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)

Where is Greece? It should be also mentioned next to France. It only singed the charter, but did not ratifiy it. And the state of minority languages in Greece is appaling (see www.coe.int) --Nik

Greece has not even signed the Charter [1]--Michkalas 14:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Greece hasn't signed the charter. Well-known fact Piro ilir (talk) 14:03, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

List of the European Union's regional or minority languages

There is no need to have here this kind of list. Most probably this list comes from Euromosaiv, a European Commission survey. So it fits better at Languages_of_the_European_Union#Regional_and_Minority_Languages. You can move it there and elaborate the existing section. BTW, one of the main weaknesses of the Charter it is exactly that it doesn't name the languages for which its provisions apply. --Michkalas 16:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

fr:Charte européenne des langues régionales ou minoritaires has a (not entirely up to date) list of languages ratified for. The CoE list of ratifications is here [2]. The Charter leaves it up to states to decide which languages they will apply the Charter to, and states therefore specify them in their instruments of ratification. Man vyi 19:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Man vyi, that's true and it would be nice to have this list here too, but that's definitely something deferent from the current list in the article. Here we have a list of the regional or minority languages in -a few- EU countries, not a list of the regional or minority languages for which the Charter applies.--Michkalas 14:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Precisely. This article doesn't need a EU language list - if it needs a list at all, it needs a list of languages ratified for. Man vyi 15:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

NOTE 5.

^ As of March 2007, Ukraine's entry on the on the Council of Europe site does not list the languages in respect of which the Republic of Ukraine has ratified the Charter.

[3] Ukraine declares that the provisions of the Charter shall apply to the languages of the following ethnic minorities of Ukraine : Byelorussian, Bulgarian, Gagauz, Greek, Jewish, Crimean Tatar, Moldavian, German, Polish, Russian, Romanian, Slovak and Hungarian. --77.122.212.4 16:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

UK

as Irish is mentioned under the Uk im presuming it means Irish that is spoken in the north of ireland. out of interest did Ireland sign it, seperatly from the UK? --81.38.85.84 11:49, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Ireland can't ratify it on behalf of Irish, because that's an official language of Ireland.  Randall Bart   Talk  02:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Switzerland

Italian and Romansch are official languages of Switzerland. There may ought to be a note that Switzerland is ratifying on behalf of specific cantons where these are unofficial minority languages, similar to the note about the Länder of Austria and Germany.  Randall Bart   Talk  02:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Belgium

It would be interesting to know the Belgian status. Does sb know? 88.159.74.100 (talk) 13:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

France

When will France ratify the treaty? They said that they are considered part of the 'patrimoine francaise' but they haven't done that much.Domsta333 (talk) 11:34, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

But what is the Charter about??

At the moment, all this page is, is a long list of what countries have signed up, and whether they have ratified it or not. There is almost nothing that tells me what the charter is actually about, what actions must be taken by a signatory, what protections does it gives etc. What is the difference between the lower and higher levels?

I came here hoping to find these things, and it's not even clear where I could go to find out these things. RedTomato (talk) 00:36, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

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Updates to the charter

To user:84.248.82.78 and others, can someone with the necessary knowledge and access to sources please clarify here the status of the UK in the charter post Brexit. Many EU laws have been retained through UK statute, but what about this charter? Irish, Cornish, etc, what is their position? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 18:55, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

This is not an EU charter, and the Council of Europe is not the European Council. The European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages is in no way related to the European Union, and international treaties the UK ratified are not affected by Brexit. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 19:18, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

English in the Netherlands?

English is listed as a minority language in the Netherlands. I highly doubt that is the case. If so, then probably this recognition would be limited to the Caribbean Netherlands only. Yeowe (talk) 12:05, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

English is not listed in the official list. https://rm.coe.int/november-2022-revised-table-languages-covered-english-/1680a8fef4 Joseph (talk) 14:38, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

I removed English (and Franc-Comtois in Switzerland) from the article. Yeowe (talk) 22:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)