Talk:European Shorthair

Intro

Have modded introductory paragraph, for a more banal, but less controversial version, employing a translation from the French featured article, which carries greater nuance as perhaps intended by the Fédération Internationale Feline. AS a possible reference, I suggest Domestic Cats: Their History, Breeds and Other Facts By Nancy Robbins, p159, which describes matters confusingly, but thus : "It was so until 1982 when FIFE registered the Scandinavian type of European Shorthair as a separate breed with its own standard." In this sense, the article needs reworking in all languages to reflect European Shorthair as a super-genre, within which various sub-types, including British, Scandinavian, and doubtless others, are recognized, alongside common European shorthair cats that share very similar features, and which are generically termed European in literature and popular usage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.186.30.44 (talk) 15:38, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Bondkatt

I have added some text to this article. can somebody add the photo from the swedish wiki(http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europeiskt_korth%C3%A5r)? but that is infact an "bondkatt". /stupid swede

A "bondkatt" is never a european shorthair. "Bondkatt" is actually another word for "huskatt", and european shorthair is a breed with a pedigree. //Erika, Sweden, 2007-09-19

The information in this page is not correct! A "bondkatt" is a moggy without a pedigree and a european shorthair is a cat breed with a pedigree. All european shorthair cats have a pedigree! See for example: http://www.catsunited.com/html/europaen_shorthair_breed.html or http://www.eurooppalaiskissat.net/english.htm. Could someone who writes better english than me fix that, or should I just remove the false information? The artikle would become very short if I did... Erika 2008-01-03 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.117.240 (talk) 22:14, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Not from Sweden

Please find a scientific source that shows that this cat would originate in Sweden, else remove those "facts". The sources that claim this are of low quality and doesn't in turn cite it's own sources. It really sounds very improbable. Most likely is that the swedish cat fanciers defined the european shorthair breed, and they thought the cat came from sweden cause it is so common here. In reality these are regular specimens of the usual shorthaired domestic cats, that can be found all over europe. I think that wikipedia should not perpetuate the myth of the european cat breed. After all, it one of the most common cats in the world, wikipedia should have a proper article about it. /Magnus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.252.108.186 (talk) 15:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I think you are confusing the species cat (Felis catus) with the breed european shorthair. // Liftarn (talk)

These cats are crazy! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.235.9 (talk) 10:31, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

I cannot believe the ESH is from Sweden like no other Wikipedias around the world do not believe this, too. Is there any other source than the one mentioned? Maybe the mentioned single source has his information from english Wikipedia? --Tubesship (talk) 06:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

According to cats united (link posted in the article)the european shorthair is from Sweden, and also according to http://www.catster.com/breeds/european_shorthair , and SVERAK http://www.sverak.se/SVERAK/Om_katt/index_raser.htm (but that's in swedish). The breed was originally called "swedish housecat". It is also most popular in sweden and finland, so I don't find it hard to believe that the breed is swedish. //ErikaS, 2009-01-07

Thanks for the sources. I've added them to the article. // Liftarn (talk) 22:03, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Here it is also stated, that they are not from Sweden, I cite: "The world's domestic cats carry patterns of sequence variation in their genome that reflect a history of domestication and breed development. A genetic assessment of 979 domestic cats and their wild progenitors-Felis silvestris silvestris (European wildcat), F. s. lybica (Near Eastern wildcat), F. s. ornata (central Asian wildcat), F. s. cafra (southern African wildcat), and F. s. bieti (Chinese desert cat)-indicated that each wild group represents a distinctive subspecies of Felis silvestris. Further analysis revealed that cats were domesticated in the Near East, probably coincident with agricultural village development in the Fertile Crescent. Domestic cats derive from at least five founders from across this region, whose descendants were transported across the world by human assistance.", source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17600185 --84.56.253.226 (talk) 15:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

It says nothing about the european shorthair. // Liftarn (talk) 19:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

American Shorthair the same?

Where is the difference? To me they look the same. --84.56.228.28 (talk) 23:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Different origins. // Liftarn (talk) 19:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

But origin means nothing, imagine my parents leaving Europe to China and giving birth to me in China. Does that makes me a Chinese? European Shorthair to me is the same as long as I do not see any differences. How about merging both articles? --84.56.225.236 (talk) 03:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

When it comes to cat breeds the pedigree actually is important. That they may look similar at a glance is not a valid reason for merging. It would be like merging Norwegian Forest Cat and Maine Coon because they look sortof simmilar. // Liftarn (talk)

Informal Language

Shouldn't the term 'for ages mentioned in the introduction be formalised? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelostlibertine (talk • contribs) 01:15, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Italy

Why does it say "originating in Italy/Sweden" ? Is this a mistake? Or some disagreement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.184.78.70 (talk) 05:32, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Sweden?

Please stop this absurd theory claiming a cat breed living for millennia in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East as originated in Sweden in the 19th century. This is senseless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.10.219.42 (talk • contribs)

Well, it's claimed for two very good reasons, a) it's true, and b) that's what the sources say. So you have any source that says otherwise you should bring them instead of vandalising the page. For instance https://www.omlet.co.uk/breeds/cats/european_shorthair/ says "The European Shorthair cat breed was developed in Sweden". // Liftarn (talk) 14:12, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Copyright violation?

The breed description may be copy pasted from this archived source: https://web.archive.org/web/20160304052758/http://www.furrycritter.com/resources/cats/European_Shorthair.htm, didnt know if i should flag it or not, due to it being a description of the breed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Username151 (talk • contribs) 20:48, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

You're correct it is. You should've flagged it but I'll rewrite it myself tomorrow when I further improve the article, thanks. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)