Talk:Eva Galler

Notability

I have concerns whether this meets WP:BIO. Just being a Holocaust survivor is not enough to be notable. I am not seeing significant enough coverage of her life to merit her passing on that account either... ping User:Poeticbent who has much experience in this field. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:50, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest in keeping Wikipedia credible, User:Poeticbent. I beg to differ, however, as I believe Galler has an incredible escape story that is worthy to be remembered as it is an important part in learning about what happened to Polish Jews during the War. She went to schools and other places to talk about her story, so it is definitely a story that has something to tell. I beleive the problem is that the page needs some more credible secondary sources, as you said, which I haven't had access to. If anyone is willing to contribute to this, it would be helpful! Thanks! Grammarperson (talk) 14:11, 26 April 2016 (UTC)grammarperson

Thank you, User:Piotrus for alerting me to this beautiful story of courage and survival against all odds. "I don't know how this woman got through as much as she did", said Alex Jordan on his webpage at Wikispaces Classroom. However, there are a number of serious challenges regarding this entry as far as our mission. Wikipedia is not a family album, nor a personal webpage. We write about stuff already studied. Our mission is not to rehash people's oral testimonies, but to create an encyclopedia. The Eva Galler story has never appeared anywhere outside World Wide Web. It has not been corroborated by a single historian. Some of her own statements made during interviews are mind boggling. Galler told Plater Robinson from Louisiana: "You see, they, the Polish population were under the occupation, but they weren't persecuted." Such statements are historically false. Please read Nazi crimes against the Polish nation with a list of reliable third-party sources which prove otherwise. There has been a number of controversies regarding Holocaust autobiographies over the years, nevertheless, they have already been published. Please, see Wikipedia Category:Personal accounts of the Holocaust. Regrettably, this biography is based entirely on the moving memories of a single Jewish person who does not seem to known much background to the Holocaust in occupied Poland. I welcome any feedback you'd like to give me. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 15:58, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

1. https://nightperiodb.wikispaces.com/Alex+Jordan
2. http://www.southerninstitute.info/holocaust_education/eva_galler.html
3. https://repository.library.brown.edu/studio/item/bdr:65629/

@Piotrus and Grammarperson: I was looking more at the sources. https://memoriesofwwii.wordpress.com/about/ is a blog, created for an academic course, but maintained (if it is maintained) by a student (can't figure out if it is undergrad or grad). However, the material can be salvaged by going to the original source: the student simply copied (likely, without permission) content from http://www.holocaustsurvivors.org/data.show.php?di=home&da=survivors&ke=6 (also used here). That site is maintained by an activist and amateur (but not professional) historian, John Menszer. The second major source is also an interview, this time from [1], or more specifically, the http://www.southerninstitute.info/index.jsp , an academic institution, part of Tulane University. There is also a video interview with USHMM ([2]), certainly a respectable institution. All of those sources, however, are WP:PRIMARY and as such are not sufficient to show notability: being a subject to several interviews from historians is not enough for being in an encyclopedia. So what do we have for secondary/tetriary source? A study guide for undergrads, and a short obit, both almost certainly based on primary materials above, through it doesn't matter. The fact is that the only non-primary sources we have on her is one study guide and one regional and short obituary. I think that is enough for a mention on some list - such as List of Holocaust survivors. But I do not believe it justifies a stand-alone article, not until a historian or a journalist tallies up those interviews into a proper article or book, i.e. transforms those primary sources, not sufficient for Wikipedia, into a secondary source that is. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:05, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

@Piotrus:, would you please return to this entry and remove all questionable material from reference section including unauthorized copies, WP:COPYVIOS, and the worst of WP:primary sources. We need a thorough cleanup before we can decide how much of this entry can be salvaged, if at all. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 15:18, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

@Poeticbent: While I have not checked for copuvios, if we remove all content referenced to primary sources, I am afraid we will have nothing left. At this stage I am afraid I see no recourse but start an AfD soon. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:35, 5 May 2016 (UTC)