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Tourniquet

I removed the reference to "Tourniquet" because actually that songs is the perfect counter-example for their Christianity. The song is about a person dying and saying "Jesus, I want to commit suicide and that would send me to hell, right? How fair can this be?". It's sure not a very Christian point of view... DUDE

Oh come on now. It's totally a Christian song. "Am I too lost to be saved?" "My God, my tourniquet, return to me salvation." "do you remember me, lost for so long?" "will you be on the other side, will you forget me?" - yes, it's a Christian song with questions, but it's still very much part of Christian discourse - these are Christian questions. That doesn't make them a "Christian band" as such, but the article never said it did - it just cites this as an example of why that label has been applied to them. There are other reasons - their stuff was for a short time sold in Christian stores that don't sell secular stuff, ie see [1] Evercat

I know that they were sold in Christian stores and that they were actually sold by their label as Christian rock. I'm not saying they were not, but Tourniquet remains... well, not an anti-christian song of course, but a song that questions, and I wouldn't use that as an example of their Christian themes. If I wanted to name a song for this I'd rather use something else, something older (much easier to find Christian themes when David Hodges was still in the band). Lazarus Long 14:53, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Well. I still want Tourniquet mentioned as it's the one with the most obviously religious content on Fallen, the only Evanescence album that most people have heard... I've tried to redescribe it a little so the reader knows it's not exactly a "traditional" Christian song. :-) Evercat

I think it should be covered too..regardless of how "Christian" it is. I actually think it's a great song, and I'm atheist. Stancel 22:19, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Well written! :-) Lazarus Long 11:43, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Believe it or not, "Tourniquet" is actually a cover song. Rocky Gray wrote it for his Christian death metal band, Soul Embraced. --Beau99 20:21, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Rewrite?

I guess the page needs a rewrite, the Christian/Non-Christian debate is mucch to a POV subject and rather irrelevant actually if we want to write facts about the band. Lazarus Long 08:53, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)

There's no such thing as a POV subject. And how's it irrelevant? The Evanescence-as-Christian-band thing has been much discussed. Evercat 14:14, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)

What I meant is that out of four paragraphs dedicating one (the longest) to this controversy is a little bit too much IMO. Sure, if the paragraphs were twenty I'd certainly agree that it would be relevant. But you're right, it's not a matter of removing, it's a matter of adding, so I'll add somemore things about the band as soon as I can, sorry for removing. Lazarus Long 14:53, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Ben Moody

I see Ben Moody's been removed... actually *officially* he is still member of the band, I don't know whether he is to be removed from here, or left there (Adding a note saying he left the tour and, probably, the band) until it becomes official Lazarus Long 13:06, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

It's all but official. Wind-up released a press release regarding his leaving, and Amy says she still doesn't know what he's been doing, but that it was probably for the best. Pipian 16:18, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

The last (and only) press release I could track down from Wind-Up about this matter was the one saying that Ben was leaving the *tour*, not the band. And since then nothing official. Amy says that she doesn't know what Ben's up to only in interviews, but officially Ben is still a member and so appears on the official site (run by Wind-up). If you are sure there's this other press release then ok (but I'd like to see it), otherwise I think we should place Ben back in the page until we know better. Lazarus Long 00:46, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

In the meanwhile everything's gone official of course... and we should add Terry Balsamo in the page, I'll do it right away. Lazarus Long 12:20, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Goth metal or not?

Blank assertions that they are or aren't goth metal aren't sufficient; we need basic tests. Googling on 'evanescence "goth metal"' gathers considerable evidence that they are generally accepted in that category. (Also, I dare anyone to tell Evanescence from Lacuna Coil on musical terms alone.)

Now, to remove it, we'd need greater evidence that they are not generally considered "goth metal". That is, actual referenced evidence against, rather than my opinion or your opinion. I don't actually deeply care either way, but blank assertion doesn't cut it.

What do we have to hand? - David Gerard 10:32, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Well, to start off, they're not metal. They're alt. rock and nothing more. Just because they are heavy, doesn't mean they're metal. Metal requires a certain song structure, plus extended guitar solos. Evanescence has neither element in any of their music. Secondly, Amy Lee has gotten very pissed at people calling them goth. Their first "official" website was entitled We're not goth.

--Beau99 20:19, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

First point: your blank assertion again. I hope you see that's much more towards original research than anything referenced or verifiable. Second point: The Sisters of Mercy claim loudly not to be goth either. Reductio ad absurdum. - David Gerard 23:17, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• Fine. It's just that I'd rather trust the band over the media. Also, if you take a look at Metal Archives, Evanescence is not listed on the website. People who have submitted Evanescence under the goth metal category have gotten chastised for being a waste of time. --Beau99 05:34, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

BTW: a certain song structure and extended guitar solos? I'd like to see you say that to Motörhead and keep your teeth ... - David Gerard 23:48, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• I think the problem is what each person's interpretation of what goth metal is. I consider them goth on basis of the (unreleased) song "Lies". It has a goth sound. Plus, most of their songs have that depressing feeling I've come to associate with the goth culture. I don't think it's a bad thing to say Evanescence is a goth band, it's just a need to classify them. Sometimes I classify Nightwish, Within Temptation, and Evanescence as New Age. Whatever you call it, it's all the same. Dark Reality

I think that what defines whether they are a goth rock band or not is whether any goths agree with you on the matter. I think most would agree that it is not goth due to it's mainstream nature however many do listen to them so I think it's safe to say that it is "accepted within the goth subculture" Leighman

- I don't think you can really compare Andrew Eldritch to Amy Lee... I also disagree with Leighman, I don't think Evanescence are accepted in the goth subculture at all. They, like others, tend to be labelled as 'goth' because the lead singer looks a bit glum and has a penchant for black clothing. I'm sure it doesn't need to be said that this does not constitute goth. However, I think it is very much socially acceptable to like Evanescence in the mall goth subculture, but that's a whole other argument.

______ They are not goth. Nor metal. So they cannot possibly..be goth metal.

Just because Goths listen to it doesn't mean it's gothic music.. A lot of Goths listen to Duran Duran. Does that make DD Gothic? If they dressed in black would that make them any more gothic? Case Closed. And calling them gothic on the basis of one gothic/depressing sounding song is utterly ridiculous.

"Also, I dare anyone to tell Evanescence from Lacuna Coil on musical terms alone" That is quite offensive. They clearly try to copy Lacuna Coils style but you can tell they are a watered down alt rock band with a female singer who sounds slightly like LCs. Using Google in that way to "test" what genre they belong in is totally stupid and unreliable. Don't comment if that's the best way you can think of to guess what genre they belong to.

They are accepted by some goths because they are a fairly new band, who have a gothic image and dark lyrics. Don't be fooled by that, they are just posers.

in my oh so humble opinion i just gotta say that they are totally a goth band. whether they are goth rock, goth metal or goth whatever i dont know but just on common sense anyone who listens to them for more than two minutes notices the constant dark themes and "haunted castle" feel of the orchestral stuff. there lyrics are very dark and brooding and wounded (lots of "oh my tortured soul" stuff). now to there image, basically all of there videos are very gothic, especially "going under", all black and red clothing, corsets,lots of black make up. plus there promotional stuff like there posters are mostly dark with amy lee wearing all black and black make up. so anyone who doesnt see at least a gothic influence in them is either over thinking the issue too much or likes the band, doesnt like goth culture, and doesnt want to see an association between the two, or vice versa. _________________

There is a defination of what Gothic Metal is being discussed on the talk page of the Gothic Metal board. Feel free to go there and gander and see what it is and isnt. This may help you understand what is and isnt Gothic Metal and why. ~~Leyasu _________________

Evanescence said once in an interview, that their sort of music is "Dark Epic Rock".

2¢: What really annoys me is that despite knowing that this band isn't goth at all according to them (their fans?) or other goths, I can't shake some kind of weird metnal connection between Evanescence and Miho from http://www.megatokyo.com . From there the connection jumps easily to goth stuff.
It's kind of embarrassing.
I see how the association can be made though, "Dark Epic Rock":
Dark = Goth
Epic = Romanticism
Rock = Metal
Mix this with media bias and first glance assumptions, and things get a bit twisted.
--ScWizard 04:33, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

This is Nu-Metal. How can this be Goth Metal ? :) This is really really funny :) I read on some other page that they are Modern Goth Metal. THis is hilarous :) There is no such thing as... "MODERN GOTH". So in my opinion they are Nu-Metal. --PET 23:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Evanescence is alt. rock with goth influences. Goth by definition is associated with death, sex, and religion (someone said ask the goths, so here I am). It has nothing to do with wearing black all the time. Many goths including myself actually do wear other colors. Tourniquet has the religion and the death. Many of their other songs have references to death. But the sex part isn't their. Ever heard Type O-Negative? Classic goth rock - pretty mellow. Some of Evanescence's unreleased songs like "Even in Death" have a particularly goth sound not just because of the lyrics, but because of the musical structure. By no means are they a goth band, because they don't have all the components lyrically of a goth band, nor are all their songs musically gothic, bu they definitly do have gothic influences.

And about the Lacuna Coil thing - I accept the dare to tell the bands apart musically. Lacuna Coil lyrically is very metaphorical, Evanescence is not. Sometimes you just have to sit down and ponder what they are singing about. And how could anyone in their right mind compare the two female voices?!?! They sound nothing alike!! Amy Lee's voice is obviously trained - very open sound. Cristina Scabbia's is very nasal, and she takes her chest voice way too high. Amy Lee has developed a middle voice. Andrea Ferro does vocals for the Lacuna Coil, while Evanescence has no male vocalist. Plus, Andrea and Cristina both have really weird accents becasue they're Italian, and Amy Lee has a slight southern accent. Instrumentally, Lacuna Coil uses the same riff over and over again, but modified. That happens a lot on Italic textComoliesItalic text. Evanescence seems to take more time not to create the same song more than once (in terms of their riffs and melodies), but Lacuna Coil is more creative lyrically. Obviously Lacuna Coil has been around longer, so we'll have to wait and see what Evanescence comes up with next. The two bands have a similar sound, but a noticabely different one. Sorry about the long post :) --JessH 20:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Goth rock or not?

To be specific they are not goth metal but goth rock. They're also glam metal. Psychomel@di_(s)cussion

Evanescence is not a gothic rock band. They have goth influences, but in the same way Smashing Pumpkins and Jane's Addiciton had goth influences that does not make them gothic rock bands. And glam metal is completely off the mark; that is the genre of "hair metal" bands like Poison and Motely Crue. The most appropriate genre terms (and the ones I've seen most used) are nu metal and alternative metal. WesleyDodds 21:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

To be honest I'm not sure "glam metal" is really the best way to describe Evanescence but it's better and more accurate (as glam metal is not very far from modern pop rock) than the plain non-informative "Heavy metal" was there before. Same for "rock" replaced with "goth rock", rock is a very wide genre from pop punk to grindcore and I myself (and furthermore others) consider their music as goth rock. I don't know what is alternative metal and its article only confused me more ("alternative *metal* is a subgenre of rock") but I know what's nu metal and that's not Evanescence. Psychomel@di_(s)cussion 12:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

The most important point right now is that Evanescence is certainly not a glam metal band. So that should be removed. WesleyDodds 04:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, this is kind of a muddy issue. I'd say the safest definition is probably "hard rock", since that's very broad and they won a grammy for "Best Hard Rock Performance". Some would call them "alternative rock", and I consider that accurate, too, since they have a unique and hard-to-categorize sound. While the band doesn't characterize themselves as "goth", "goth rock" is a good description of their sound, so it's hard to argue that.

All that said, I've never seen their music characterized as "glam rock". I've never even heard of that sub-genre. Google agrees with me... Evanescence "Goth Rock" lands 42,900 hits, while Evanescence "Glam Rock" only gets 675 hits. It seems clear to me that "glam metal" is not a proper classification for their music and should at least be changed back to "goth rock", and perhaps further discussion on this issue is necessary as well. —Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 06:25, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Also, a search on EvBoard for "music genre" turns up 100 hits, only one of which seems relevant. In this post, a community member lists his favorite goth rock bands, implying that he considers Evanescence to be goth rock. I've started my own thread on this very question, and hopefully I'll get some answers straight from the Evanescence community. —Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 07:36, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello. At first the article said "Rock, Heavy metal". As both of these genres are very wide, I decided to focus to the exact genres. If Evanescence are metal at all (don't have opinion about this), they are glam metal (notice pop metal redirects there) or, maybe, power metal. Heavy metal can stand for lots of things, from black metal to nu-metal. Same for rock. As for that, glam metal was removed from the article as I was apparently wrong trying to guess what metal sub-genre the editor meant when he entered heavy metal. Psychomel@di_(s)cussion 12:25, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

they sure as hell arent metal the music isnt all heavy enough for rock so what the hell do we class themas it seems like they really are one on there own, maybe somebody should try and get in touch with them directly through either ev board or the official site, its the only way to now for sure.--Childzy 22:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I posted a thread on EvBoard days ago, but my account had no posts before this so my post has to go through a screening process first, and it hasn't yet been approved. Does anybody have an approved account on EvBoard that doesn't have to go through that queue? Somebody should take the initiative and make a thread about the issue of genres, and put the question to rest once and for all. —Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 09:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

goth rock isn't even a genre, the true name is Gothic Rock, furthermore, Evanescene sound nothing like Gothic Rock groups, i.e London After Midnight, The 69 Eyes .etc They are most certainly not Gothic Metal (once more, goth metal is not a genre, but mainly used in reference to Gothic Doom Metal / Doom Metal, either of which, evanescence are not), examples of Gothic Metal bands would be Theatre of Tragedy, Tristania & Lacuna Coil (to some extent) both of which use the 'Beauty & The Best' vocal style, a clean Soprano female & a male using low death growls. They most certainly are not Power metal, power metal examples can be seen in DragonForce & Battelore's work. The closet genre for Evanescene is Alternative Rock.

I would agree with alt. rock --Childzy 13:35, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

this needs sorting out, can we come to a general consensus of the bands genre. if not the article needs a clean up tag because there are so many contrasting views on the genre, look at the singles of evanescence they say they are gothic rock but we are deciding they are not, we need to organize a vote if not i will change all mentions of ev's genre to alt. rock - being bold —Preceding unsigned comment added by Childzy (talk • contribs)

I'd support a general re-labelling of all of Evanescence's songs/albums/singles/music on Wikipedia to "Alternative rock". My topic on EvBoard never got approved, so that won't yield any answers. And some Googling turns up the following hits...

Evanescence "Alternative Rock" - 184000 hits

Evanescence "Nu Metal" - 179000 hits

Evanescence "Alternative Metal" - 81300 hits

Evanescence "Goth Metal" - 38800 hits

Evanescence "Goth Rock" - 38600 hits

I say be bold and go for it. —Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 04:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I remember when that band first came out, alot of people were of the opinion that they were a Lacuna Coil clone (a Gothic metal band)... obviously this band aren't gothic rock, nobody ever accused them of been "Sisters of Mercy clones" ;) - Deathrocker 13:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Lacuna Coil is actually a The Gathering clone.

The forbidden song rumor

I thought this might be an interesting place to ask, since a lot of fans seem to be rather emotional about this.

Last year there was a rumor going around that the band don't want the fans to listen to an old demo called "You." While this song cannot be found on their album, it's as easily available on the file sharing networks as their other unreleased material. Users of the eMule/eDonkey/Overnet "ed2k" network can download a "discography" which includes everything, including the supposedly forbidden song.

I've searched and searched and can find nothing to validate this rumor. Evanescence.com has an extensive FAQ, and there is no mention of a forbidden song. Evanescence do not have a forum, but they do have two contact emails. Emails sent asking about this went unanswered. I found a large fan forum, and was banned under three different accounts for merely asking. This merely made me want to learn more. I emailed Rolling Stone, and they'd never heard of the rumor.

It seems that this rumor was made up by a fan wanting to see how far it would spread, possibly an admin or mod on the forum which is banning members for asking about it. That, or the band actually made the request to a small group of people before they got popular, and gave up once they got popular, realizing that the now millions of fans would want to hear it and would not be discouraged by such a request. But I can't believe that there ever was such a request, if there's no reference of it on any news sites. When I look up Evanescence news, I can find plenty of sources about when Amy Lee slipped and made the reference to Cold vocalist Scooter Ward's rehabilitation. Amy Lee learned that she can't really say anything without it being reviewed and picked apart. So... if she made a request for fans not to listen to a song, wouldn't that be published somewhere?

I'm certainly not trying to convince fans there is no request. But before you jump down my throat for asking, ask yourself where you heard the rumor, if you did. Did you read it on a forum? Did someone tell you on AIM? Or did you see it on the news or on a reputable site? I challenge every fan who believes that rumor to prove it's true.

I am a fairly big fan of Evanescence. I like their sound. I like a lot of their unreleased songs. "You" is a decent song, but there's a lot better ones. It's not my favorite. I just want to know the truth about it. Because until I hear more than unsubstantiated rumors from preteen fans, whenever someone tells them they like Evanescence, I'm going to help them get all Evanescence's unreleased stuff. Not the stuff they've released, mind you. If they like Evanescence, they owe it to this great band to buy Fallen, and the upcoming live CD/DVD. If Origin is remastered or just re-released, I'll strike that from the discography disc I give friends, and encourage them to buy that as well. But there are a lot of old, unreleased songs, and the fans deserve to hear it. I just want to make it clear that I am against the piracy of good music. Dark Reality

• The request to not hear the forbidden song was made by Ben Moody, a few months before the official message board went under. The song was leaked by their former manager Brad Caviness, whom they've since cut ties with. So, no it's not a rumor. The request did happen. It's just that Ben and Amy wanted to keep it quiet, so a possible uproar wouldn't happen.

I'm with you on the piracy issue. I buy the new stuff, whenever I can afford it. But then there's the older songs, which will never be availible again on any CD. Downloading those isn't piracy, so I say go right ahead. --Beau99 18:06, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• re: Forbidden song: I thought it had to be something like that. I did notice they didn't have a message board when I looked at their site. Which brings me to my next point. Firstly, Ben Moody is no longer a member; sad as it may be, he's hardly in a position to dictate how the band conducts its business. Secondly, and more importantly, the band have not made the request publicly. There is in fact no verifiable record the request was ever made since the board went down and the site did not copy the request to their extensive FAQ.

So if it's not a rumor, to what extent is it an issue? Just something for bored junior high age girls to fight about, or do you think the band takes any real issue with fans listening to this song? All I've seen is a few immature threats on message boards to those who have heard the song, but most people I've asked in real life had never heard the song, and then listened to it without reservation.

On another issue, what's the status on the older stuff? Beau99 you say they will never be available on CD. Do you think that, at some point, Windup and/or Evanescence might release it? Either as a box set or as filler albums between new albums? Or gradually, like how Missing, Farther Away, and Breathe No More can be found on Anywhere But Home. Breathe No More and Anything For You are two of the best unreleased Ev songs, I'm glad to see one of them see the light of day. --Dark Reality, but not logged in

I found this "forbidden" song, but I didn't want to download it, 'cause it's her "own" song for someone. You can read about it in azlyrics.com when you go to "evanescence" and than to the song "You". It's written, that she don't want other people to listen to it or read the lyrics, because it's a private song! And that's also the reason why the song isn't on some of their CDs. It's her privacy. Not every song of a band is made for the public, the fans..

Amy Lee wrote the song about her closest friends and family (there's speculation that it was about Ben, while they were engaged) and has been quoted MULTIPLE times that it was never meant to be released, and has pleaded on evboard.com that the song not be withdrawn. Feel free to contact me, but I guarantee you that this IS quite a forbidden song. --hyatt[x]core 15:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Older Material

Well, Amy has already said that songs like Understanding, Bleed, Where Will You Go, etc, won't be remade.

Re: the forbidden song, I'd like to know more about the request as well. However, one mention of it on Evboard results in an instant ban. I like that place too much to risk it. And you're correct that Ben Moody doesn't have any authority over the song, but having spoken to Brad Caviness (the guy who leaked the song) via e-mail, I'd say Ben is correct. --Beau99 09:04, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Regarding the "Forbidden Song"

To avoid further discussion of this, I'll clear it up.

You was a song made by Amy Lee, and Amy Lee only. It is not an Evanescence song. Amy Lee made it solely for someone very special. However, someone who helped them create Origin the album found out about the song, and many other songs they made. He made a CD out of songs which he shouldn't have, and You was one of them. Eventually the situation was resolved, yet of course, there are now tons of P2P programs where you can download the song from others.

You won't find any articles or interviews of the band regarding this song because the band never gave the issue public attention. Pretty much the only people who know of the song are Evanescence's very dedicated fanbase.

I know of this because the band posted messages about the song on Evboard.com. Those messages are now gone, however. Ben Moody posted that message about the song before he left the band. Isn't that just something that's obvious?

Honestly, if you've been banned numerous times from an Evanescence message board for talking about the song, and even Evboard.com threatens a ban for talking of the song, don't you think it just might not be a rumor? If it was a rumor, people could just explain that. It would be no big deal.

As for mentioning the song in the article, I don't think it should be done at all. Amy Lee wants to keep the song private, and we should respect her wishes. There's no reason why people need to know about it.

Lenne

Agreed. This is Amy Lee's song which was meant to be kept secret. By trying to find out about the song and being banned from sites, that person seems very immature. Obviously, they have heard about the song and how it was FORBIDDEN. Keyword: Forbidden. If it was forbidden, don't you think their might be a reason why. But I agree with Lenne. It should not be mentioned on the article at all because it was supposed to be kept secret. By mentioning it on the article, it is not secret anymore and many people will know about it. So no, do not mention it on the article. It's bad enough that it was leaked out to the public as it is. Fans are not meant to know everything... TearAwayTheFunerealDress 16:18, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Erm no this is an encyclopedia, not EvBoard, the fact she wants no one to mention the song is good enough reason for it to be here, this is encyclopedic content. Though not on this article, it will remain on the Amy Lee article.--Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 21:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the Band Releasing Old Material

The band has stated that they will never re-release any of their old material. They may re-make it (which is doubtful), but they will never re-release the actual songs.

Lenne

The picture

I know the picture doesn't matter much but I think it would be better if we had a bigger picture, perhaps a larger version of this one or an album cover. Stancel 22:25, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

11:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)NEW PICTURE11:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)~

• scoff* somebody removed one of the pictures i had put because they thought it had ben moody on it. WTF? first of all...i don't have any ben moody pictures on my computer...second of all...i got that picture from the official website...i changed it again...to a better one...i hope nobody removes it. if it's removed...then wikipedia editors are pretty dull.

First of all remember to sign your posts and second of all please respect Wiki etiquette and be nice in posts. I removed the picture because it focused to much on amy and the other band members could not be seen, the pic you uploaded now is fine, i made a tad smaller too as it was quite large. Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 14:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Edited Something Out

I edited out this part of the article.

(Among them you may find the first version of My Immortal (their third Fallen single), which features only the voice of the 16 year old Amy and a piano. It is often labeled as the 'Piano - Vocal' version over the Internet.)

First off, it's inaccurate. The song doesn't just feature Amy Lee's voice and a piano. It's David Hodges playing the piano, and there are background synths/effects. It also has some background vocals by David. Furthermore, it's just useless information. Lenne 15:08, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

EDIT: I just realized they were talking about the 1997-1998 demo version of My Immortal. Either way, it's still useless information.

Caption for image

It would be good if someone could put the band members names as a caption to the image. --Commander Keane 08:35, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Done. Lenne 02:13, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Stole their songs from other bands?

An editor of the Gothic metal article has proposed a revision to that page in which he insists that some press reported that Evanescence stole the songs from Fallen from other bands. He said they were dropped from their label because of it, and that there was a big court case. Do any of you have any sources for this? (See the "Current Revision" section in Talk:Gothic metal.) --Idont Havaname 15:10, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

That is the biggest piece of B.S. I've ever heard. --Beau99|talk 00:06, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I didn't hear anything about that. I thought they wrote their own songs. But Beau99 is probably right. It's probably just a bunch of B.S. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 16:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

This was probably the same person that said evanescence was a linkin park rip-off, even though, with the exception of Bring me to Life,they sound nothing like them. If there was a court case it would have been all over the showbiz section R.D 00:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

That's 100% incorrect if you listen to fallen alot of the songs are actually re-released versions of songs that they either had on origin or wrote prior to origin. Imaginary, Bring me to Life, Haunted, My Immortal, Whisper and i'm sure i'm forgetting some from fallen were all on earlier releases. Also the "extra" song on Anywhere but home Farther Away was made by them earlier too. Seraphim 08:55, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Release Speculation

"Evanescence is currently working on their second album. Recently, Lee stated on EvBoard that Evanescence's second album will be released in March 2006. On the other hand, the album has been fraught with delays and is at this point nearly a year and a half late when compared to the original release date. This has lead to alienation among many fans, and negative speculation about the quality of future releases."

I've been hearing this kinda stuff a lot lately. I don't understand - the band has never officially given a release date for the album until recently, as far as I've seen. All the "release dates" proposed until a few months ago were only speculations by fans and the label. So...shouldn't the article say that too? It sounds misleading. Does anyone have anything to back up the information posted in this paragraph? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.200.116.203 (talk • contribs) 12 November 2005.

The latest news we(at EvBoard) have heard from Ms. Lee herself is probably August '06. Elrico Suave.

List of fansites in External links

The External links section is being populated by a lot of fansites. Per Wikipedia:External links#What should not be linked to, it would be better to link to a directory of fansites, such as Google's. The Google and Yahoo listings are not that comprehensive, so if somebody can find a list of a lot of Evanescence fansites, we can just put that in instead of a collection of external links. I did something similar at Danica Patrick recently, and it's helped reduce linkspam. (IMO, Exodus and EvBoard should stay in just because they are so prominent, but we are not here to advertise people's fan sites.) --Idont Havaname 21:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

The new album has unofficially been set to be released August 22, 2006. The new album will be called "The Open Door." Greg

Liquid Blue

Is this a song by them? The lyrics point to a song by the title of "You", by Sarina Paris, but i do not believe this is the same song. Is Liquid Blue actually a song by Evanescence? If not, what idiot mistitled the song that is now massively distributed? --Psydude 05:52, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Not a chance. However, I believe this is another example of unknown artists/bands re-naming their MP3's on the internet to well-known names to get folks to download their tunes. Unethical and kinda pathetic, methinks. Elric from EvBoard.

Cleanup tag

Removed the "cleanup" tag [2]. I don't see a very heavy need for it and my rationale is also based on the random IP address that posted the Cleanup tag without a note here on the talk page. Mike Tigas 15:16, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Etymology of name

The article now reads "The word "evanescence" means to dissipate like vapor". This is slightly inaccurate. The word "evanesce" is an intransitive verb meaning "to dissipate like vapor". However, the word "evanescence" is a noun, denoting the event of such a disappearance (example: "the evanescence of the morning mist"). Perhaps it would suffice if the article instead read "The word "evanesce" means to dissipate like vapor", letting the reader figure out the rest himself/herself? -- Grahn 02:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Mercenaries

Is it true that Amy Lee did the voice of Fiona in the video game Mercenaries? It says she was voiced by a person named Amy Lee and several people have told me this is the case. If so, do you think we should add infomation about that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.84.228.7 (talk • contribs)

I doubt it. [3] IMDB has a different page for that Amy Lee. In fact if you do a search for Amy Lees there you can find another [4] --2mcm^Gespräch 09:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Other songs

I was wondering why other songs by the group, not found on the albums, are not listed? Shouldn't they go under a new header, so at least theres information about them? I not even talking about "you", just a few other songs. 168.122.160.46 07:14, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I added a linkout to a site with a long list of Evanescence's unofficial and official discography, including unreleased songs and live cover songs. On a side note, "You" is not included, as per previous discussion. Caligari 87 14:03, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

David Hodges

Why is David only mentioned once on the page as a previous band member? And only listed as a keyboard player??? He was one of the original members, wrote alot on both origin and fallen, and is the male vocals on some of their best (imho :p) songs, like Anywhere. David left the band after fallen was already recorded because he didn't want to tour. I think wikipedia should atleast explain to users why 3 people went up to accept the grammy :) Seraphim 08:49, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh thanks, Ive always wanted to know who sings on Anywhere. Jamesinclair 05:14, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Awesome Work on this Article Everybody!

Glad to see so much progress on this article. It was bare bones when I last viewed it. Thanks! =) Lantoka 07:49, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Evanescence Greek Fan Club

I think that a fansite that should be added is the "Evanescence Greek Fan Club" It's link is www.evanescence-gr.com and it is the biggest and evanescence fan club in Greece.

I dont think that it is noteable enough to be added to the English page, but perhaps the Greek page on Evanescence would be a suitible place for the link ? --2mcm^Gespräch 22:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Surrender

I have downloaded a song from limewire entitled "surrender". The song is not listed on any of their releases, including Origins. The song is definatley Amy Lee and has the Evanescence sound. The best way I can describe the sound is a combination of electronic experimention as seen on Origins and goth/punk guitars also on Origin. A VERY darkwave feel to it.

Lyrically it is different than previous songs by Evanescence, beginning with "now that you've decided to stay". The song is talking alot about love and living on forever etc, drastically different than Fallen and Origin lyrics about abuse and neglect and struggles.

Anyway this could be a leak? or is it a song by another name? She does say Surrender after the chorus of the song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.171.213.248 (talk • contribs) on the 20th of April 2006

Found some stuff on it here. There even appears to be an album named "Not For Your Ears". Weird, i've been listening to them for ages and never heard of either of these. --2mcm^Gespräch 09:54, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

the album was one of many unreleased demos they made and "not for your ears" is the name given to all of these demos by fans.--Childzy 15:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC) Surrender is an old song; you can find information about it on the official message board; www.evboard.com.

"Not For Your Ears" IS FAKE! Somebody started creating that to sell on eBay with several unreleased and private songs, including the "Forbidden" song, "You." Surrender is, as stated, an old song, and "Not for your ears" is a ripoff.

strange because not for your ears sounds different to the other versions of the songs and tourniquet sounds different, missing does, all of them do. i must have different ears

--Hyatt 15:16, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Not for your ears is not an evanescence album, it is merely a name for a collection of demos that they have done, the collection is in no way affiliated with evanescence its purley a name given to fans for the songs. --Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 18:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Image Overload

I think there are too many images on the article. There is already the photo of the album cover of each album in the discography so it's no use to put them again beside the paragraphs on the main articles. I removed the image of the chronicles of narnia.

it looks better with more images but the wrestling and chronicles of narnia should be removed or resized--Childzy 13:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

the wrestling and choronicles of narnia images should definitely be removed. It is said in the article that the use of their music for wrestling is not a prominent mark in their career so I don't see why it should have a big photo next to the paragraph. I don't even see why there should even be a paragraph about wrestling. There's nothing related to evanescence in it. They never made an appearance at wrestling matches. It's only their music that are used. As for the chronicles of narnia, I think the paragraph can now be removed. The song Amy wrote for the movie was not accepted but is now on their new album, The Open Door. I think this fact can now be included in The Open Door paragraph. The photo of Narnia should be removed. There isn't a photo of Daredevil, when Bring Me To Life and My Immortal was on the soundtrack, which helped their rise to popularity but there is a big photo of narnia when the song was not even included in the soundtrack?

External links

just want to say i think that there are way to many external links for this article, gonna see how many are necessary and delete them.--Childzy 17:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Complete list of band recordings

i think this should be moved to separate article because when the new album comes out this list is going to get considerably larger and it isn't all that necessary so is it OK if i move it to Complete list of Evanescence recordings I'll leave it a day or to for people to respond.--Childzy 17:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. However, I believe Evanescence discography would be a more appropriate article name, as per the discographies on Britney Spears, Linkin Park, Björk, etc. —Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 04:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah thats a better name but how much of the article should be moved? the table with the albums in looks good and is useful so should that stay with the main article?

I say move everything to Evanescence discography. Then, leave a summary of their mainstream albums and singles as one-liners in a nice small paragraph with a MAIN ARTICLE: tag. That way we can give nice convenient direct links to the pages for those albums too. —Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 10:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

VOTE Origin Album or Not

Now this needs sorting, Fallen is in the category of debut album, the first paragraph of origin says it was the first album released by Ev and Amy Lee says its not an albums so the options are

1. We call it an album and place it as debut album and make sure everything conforms to it being an album
2. We Rename the article to Origin (EP) and change the opening sentance.

just vote for which option you want.

I say option 1 because of its length and the song quality meaning it must be an album.--Childzy 16:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

"Amy Lee says its not an album"

I think you answered your own question. ;) —Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 21:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

good point, if afounding band member says its not then its not. should the article be moved then?

Looks like it's already been renamed to Origin (demo CD), which is fine. —Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 07:32, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and changed all links from Origin (album) to Origin (demo CD). —Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 07:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

References

Just a reminder that references need to be from respectable sites (or evboard if its a post by the band).

If anybody can find references for the un-cited statements then either reference as per the others on the article or post it on here and i'll be happy to do it.--Childzy 17:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Look what i made

{{evanescence}}--Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 16:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Should i put this on the other pages as well, like general songs that have articles???--Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 16:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I just checked some other bands out and they have so if i miss any just put {{evanescence}} on the page at the bottom above that cats. --Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 16:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Music Videos on PSP

Does anyone know if Evanescence has music video UMDs ou for the PSP or, if they don't, have any plans to make some? - User:sasuke-kun27 15:11, 24 June 2006

None of the fallen songs are avaliable on psp but there may be a chance of songs from new album being able to be downloaded as MP4's from the website - well hopefully. To be honest this isnt the place to ask try EvBoard or the official site --Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 21:01, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Userbox

There was no Ev userbox so i made one

{{User Evanescence}}

Ev	This user was brought to life by EVANESCENCE.

Genre-Rock/Alternative/Pop

On the official myspace.com profile, the genre is defined as Rock/Alternative/Pop, so that's the genre that I changed it to. User:Arual 20:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:-( I'll live with it for now but I'm still not happy with it, I'm not sure as to how far the band go in making their MySpace profile. :-( --Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 22:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

--- Oh, it's true, but maybe it's an error. I know they aren't goth, however, they aren't pop. They just are Rock or Alternative Rock. As you can see in this affirmation: "We're definitely a rock band," says Amy Lee. "But the twist is that the band's music is epic, dramatic, dark rock." (evanescencewebsite.com is an official website of evanescence) I am sure that they aren't pop-rock. The pop or pop-rock music doesn't talk about the suicide, the death, the sadness,etc. pop-rock music talks about other themes. That type of music has a certain song structure, and Evanescence haven't got that structure in their music. I just want to say that they aren't pop; if you know music you can see well. That's all.

I agree but it cannot be argued with, my space has to be taken as being official, im gonna get this sorted though --Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 17:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

• I don't wanna argue with that. I know myspace is official but evanescencewebsite.com, too. I just wanna say that they aren't pop-rock. It is easy to see and to understand, but the people who define the Evanescence's music like pop, they have no idea of music. *

generally, i can't tell the difference between most sub-genres, but i definitely don't think evanescence are pop-rock. they sound nothing like pop at all. besides the obvious song structures, that even i can see, all the pop songs i've heard are either about love, or plain getting it on with the opposite sex. --ReiKoko

Yep i get what you are saying, i dont want to call them that but that is what it says, i was happy when it was left at alt rock or just rock. Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 11:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I cant believe people think they are pop/rock. its complete rubbish, they are a dark rock/ alt. rock group!!!!!!!!!!

Ok im gonna get rid of rock pop, that is quite stupid, but the rock/alt stays. Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 20:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I want to point out that while the MySpace page gives us a pretty good sense of what the band sounds like or is considered to be, it should not be cited as a primary source. Additionally, the intro sentence should probably just say "rock"; the "pop rock/alternative" thing looks cumbersome and is needlessly complicated. WesleyDodds 21:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Its cited to stop people constantly changing it to Gotic rock and stuff. Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 21:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

You can also put in a note with invisible text. WesleyDodds 21:47, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah ive done that, cant you see it?? ;-) people dont care but thanks for trying to help... Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 21:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

External links

EvBoard

I am adding this as it is informative (most news breaks here first due to Amy Lee being a member), aswell as this they have a large reference relating to everything to do with the band. For these reasons it is alowed under the rules of WP:EL (Occasionally acceptable links, note 3.)Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 17:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC) I cant believe people think they are pop/rock. its complete rubbish, they are a dark rock/ alt. rock group!!!!!!!!!!

RIP Will

=*(

—Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 22:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Indeed bye Will, he was the funny one... Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 10:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

NOT ALTERNATIVE ROCK

THEY'RE METAL!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEBODY CHANGE IT!!!!!!!!!

Inappropriate Religious Reference?

I'm not convinced that the reference to Amy Lee encountering an inspiring "true Word of Knowledge" is appropriate. Did she describe it as such, or is this an intrepretation by a Wikipedian? If the former, it should remain, but Wikipedia is no place for the latter. Stephen Aquila 13:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Neither am I, I must have removed about 10 times now from both this and the Amy Lee page, if it appears agin, just remove it.Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 13:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Archived - Notes to remember

Some notes from the old page

• It has been decided for now that the genre should remain as Alternative Rock, any attempts to change this without first starting a formal discusion on this page will be classed as vandalism.

• If any non official external links are to be added you must first give reasons here and let a discusion take place about the link, then depending on what is said it will be kept or not.

Thanks Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 11:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Picture

• I changed it again. This picture is better because it isn't cropped or anything, and you can see Amy's dress in it's entirety. :-)

• It's the official promo picture, and in the Evanescence ETEAM it is put there so it can be posted, so they Band has no problem with the picture being used. :-) After all, it is promoting in some way, shape, or form.

Dannycastillo 01:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Good photo, im going to change the tag on the photo (just so it doesnt get deleted), i guesss if its from the eteam we can license it as premission given but to play it safe i will but promo tag on it Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 09:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

It does not matter if the promo tag is on it. The image must pass all criteria of WP:FUC to be considered fair use here. I have placed the appropriate tags on the image. It should be replaced or deleted right away. Roguegeek (talk) 03:45, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Track listing confirmed for The Open Door

Added track listing. Citking 18:45, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

im really sorry but that stuff goes on the album page (The Open Door), not on the actual band page. Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 20:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

'The Open Door Cover Picture

File:TOD.PNG

Supposed cover of The Open Door

The picture for the cover of The Open Door does not look like a cover of a CD. It looks like a screen shot from http://www.evanescence.com/. I think the user who uploaded it is guessing that this is what the album cover will look like. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Unless someone can prove otherwise with a credible source, please do not re-add this image on to this page. --Gary van der Merwe 07:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

people are so impatient...i think he uploaded it fully knowing it wasnt the cover, if you could mistake that for an album cover you'd have to be pretty dumb. Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 09:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I uploaded it knowing it wasn't the cover but it's better than the no artwork thing.--Monkey13 21:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Speculation is not a substitute for a lack of information. That just causes confusion, and is rather annoying. This is an encyclopedia, we don't make guesses. The Son Of Nothing 14:19, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

• LOLz! I'm so sure the cover of the album is going to look like that! I mean. It says the release date and it has a link. Wow! Somebody was dropped at child birth. Dannycastillo 17:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok people enough of this now, the uploaded has explained so please, lets get over it.Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 17:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I am to assume this new pic is real yeah?? Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 08:01, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Not For Your Ears

The album not for your ears is not mentioned in the article, I do not claim to be an expert but I know it was released in 30Nov 2002 and there were numerous tracks that have a more electic feel to them, it needs to be mentioned It would be best if someone with more knowledge of the album did a quick mention of it.

Ya'll can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not there because it's not a real album. It's a bootleg.The Son Of Nothing 16:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Got it in one Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 08:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Would it at least be possible to mention it on this page if only to say that it's not a real album? This talk page is the only thing I've found mentioning that, and it would help kill a lot of speculation about the album. It'd also be nice to have a little more info on it, like where the tracks on it originally came from. 71.12.171.24 09:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

That's really not necessary. The collection exists, yes, but it's not remotely important or noteworthy to their history. Lots of bands have had bootleg collections of unreleased songs thrown around, it just isn't important enough to talk about. The Son Of Nothing 13:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Like Toxicity II? grendel|khan 16:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Just because it exists elsewhere doesn't make it noteworthy or necessary (or right). -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 17:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

EvBoard.com 'official' forum status

EvBoard.com has never been the 'official' forum for Evanescence (evanescence.com did have an official forum but it was closed down due to the huge numbers of spammers/people writing many, many somewhat disturbing messages), and even around EvBoard.com itself the staff do point out that although band members do occasionally post on there, it's not in any way an 'official' site. Link at the bottom of the page should be chnaged to not say 'official' forum, unless someone can come up with some evidence from Wind-Up or a similar source which states EvBoard.com is the offical forum.

EvBoard was specifically mentioned by the band a few times, particularly in the linear notes of Anywhere But Home. It's pretty much the most official forum we've got. The Son Of Nothing 12:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I reworded it, its technically not official but it remains in links, see archive for discussion Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 14:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

After todays incident, Evboard.com is definitly not an official forum. Jamesinclair 23:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Where did Rocky go?

I happened to glance at the band members thingamy in the booklet for Fallen, and studio drummer Josh Freese is labelled as the drummer. So why did Rocky Gray not drum on the album? He was in the band before and after, and even co-wrote one of the songs on Fallen (Tourniquet), so why did he not drum on Fallen? If anyone knows the answer, it would definitely be valuable information for the article. U-Mos 12:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

At the time fallen was recorded the band was Amy Lee, Ben Moody and David Hodges. Alot of the work was session musicians. Rocky got credits on that song because its a modified version of a song the band he was in at the time did. Never be good enough

About Genre

Why can't we write "nu metal" and "goth (rock or metal)"? Obviously Evanescence are influenced from these two genres, members also like bands like Lacuna Coil, Korn and Papa Roach.

This point has been argued, debated, and fought over to the point of nausea. The genre listed is what Evanescence is classified as on MySpace - there hasn't been any official sources suitably claiming otherwise. The Son Of Nothing 15:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Is AllMusic a good source? - HR, 12:12, 23 August 2006

The MySpace is (technically) from the band itself. It's hard to get more valid than that. Besides, what the heck do music critics know? The Son Of Nothing 15:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably more than the members of some horrible mass-produced band. - 211.28.135.42 12:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

All songs from Evanescence's first studio release (Fallen) are listed as Metal on the CD itself and therefore I will change the genre from just alternative rock to alternative rock/metal. The source is Fallen itself, you can't get much better than that.

I own Fallen and not once do I see the CD state that their music is ANYTHING. Do you think you can tell us where you saw that on the CD, because I highly doubt it's there. Also, a little side note, I've been on MySpace a lot and from what I remember, there are a lot of Evanescence profiles listed under a bunch of genres, so I don't think that a site like that where people can post someone esle's music under whatever genre they want should considered be a reliable source. Sasuke-kun27 22:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't the genre once alternative rock/metal? What's rock pop alternative doing there? ~ EmeZxX ` 11:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

If you follow the cite, you'll see it comes from the band's myspace page, which has predefined genres they can select from. Apparently they selected rock, alternative, and pop (for whatever reason...). Also, replying to Sasuke above, www.myspace.com/evanescence apparently is the band's profile. Else it wouldn't be under the Music category, I don't think. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 15:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Good enough for me. If they describe themselves that way, then that's how it should be in the article. —Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 00:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Psychically?

The history section says "The songs were altered psychically and musically by Lee". What does it mean to psychically alter a song, or is this a typo? Mrwhizzard 00:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

All fixed. There was a rash of strange edits, and I guess I didn't set my revert far enough... or something... The Son Of Nothing 03:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

They are not pop/rock. I have never seen or heard thenm being called that. They're albums have been labled as metal, therefore the genre should be changed to alternative/gothic rock/metal.

Early demos?

Could we maybe upload at least one early demo of a song in its entirety. The link that cites the fact that they encourage people to download the old songs, has a transcipt of where they - Lee and Moody - give express permission to do so. Obviously it would not be a good idea to risk a song that was finally included on Fallen etc. (as they may have given an exclusive licence to what is now Sony BMG or Wind-Up) but something that was never released other than on early unsigned CDs, to which Lee and Moody would definitely retain full copyright control of. Anyone else agree? - ^Рэд_хот 14:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I have all their demos on my computer, so I could probably do this if people see it necessary. It would be a good way to demonstrate their progression as a band. The Son Of Nothing 15:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I really dont think it would be possible for a entrire song, the song sample copyright tag states the reasons why, this means if it was uploaded we would have to use a different tag- and there arent any! Regardless of what the band says, without explict permisson to upload an entire song theres no chance of it happening. I dont really spend much time here any more but i will put a couple of songs up from Origin, only bout 30 secs though... Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)}

The song Origin is only 35 seconds long so that's a full song and about 30 seconds or listen here.--Monkey 13!!! 03:41, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

"Origin" is hardly representative of Evanescence's music, given it has no lyrics and is nothing more than a lead-in for the second track. If there were to be a demo, it would need to be of a song that users have a chance of recognizing. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 12:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

genre 2

"he MySpace is (technically) from the band itself. It's hard to get more valid than that. Besides, what the heck do music critics know? The Son Of Nothing 15:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)"

If a source is from the band itself, I think that it isn't a good source, but it is the largest non-neutral point of view that we could use. Otherwise we should also agree with "crazy genres": Rhapsody members labelled themselves as a "hollywood metal" band, Dissection "satanic majestic metal" etc. However "alternative rock" is referred to other different bands, as I see in its page. :) I think that is better a complete web archive NOT made by the band itself or hard-to-die-supporters.

Myspace dosn't have a write-in genre option for bands, so there isn't the ability to make up genres as you said. Thus, a band is forced to put itself under a catagory.... I'm really sick of this topic. Unless Amy Lee gets in in public and specifically names an *exact* genre for the band, I really don't think there's anything left to debate.The Son Of Nothing 19:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Protect?

This page is beggining to be subjected to much scorn and vandilism by IP's. If this escalates we may need to get a temporary protection. UnDeRsCoRe 01:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Album Delay

I've just realized that when mentioning the TOD delay, this article states some tweaking to CMWYS as a cause, but it is public knowledge it had to do with Terry's stroke and recovery. I remember clearly that changes made to the lead single happened a long time after the final release date had been anounced. I don't speak perfect english and I'm not used to editing big chunks of info like that one, so could anyone take care of it please?

Love of Adolf Hitler

From the second paragraph under the History subtite

The pair discovered they shared a love of adolf hitler, pinochio and a few other artists, and they began to write songs together...

I did not realize that Lee and Moody were Adolf Hitler enthusiasts? Is this legit, or is it overlooked vandalism? Kurtto 15:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Hitler and Pinochio where no artists, so this must be vandalism —Preceding unsigned comment added by Labda (talk • contribs)

Its definitely vandalism and shouldn't be there. If its ever there again, revert it. Sasuke-kun27 19:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

For the record, Hitler was indeed a half decent artist... if only someone in Austria had recognized that rather than rejecting him from arts school in his youth... LoB, Nov 2/06

The Open Door = Amy Lee solo album?

The band seems to be "some guys behind Amy Lee" now that Ben is gone.

"The band" didn't have much of a hand in writing 'Fallen' either (look at the writing credits and you'll see). It's not like it's any different now. Terry just replaced Ben as the co-writer.

If it says "Evanescence", it's not an Amy Lee solo album.

Ben was the band

No, Evanescence is the band, Ben was just a member :) -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 10:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

2006 Tour: Necessary?

Is it really necessary to have a 2006 Tour section on the page? I'm not their biggest fan, but I know they had to have more tours than this and we don't list them, do we? I've also noticed that no other band page that I've seen has tour info. Unless someone has a reason to keep it, it should be removed. --Sasuke-kun27 20:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, it's pretty pointless.

Seconded. I'm removing the section and moving the general tour information to the main Open Door article. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 07:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. --Sasuke-kun27 19:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Article reorganization

Right now, the article is in need of serious reorganization and rewording. Instead of grouping all events under sections by Album timeline, would it not be useful to have sections for albums, band changes, and other assorted data? I plan on doing this myself when I have a spare block of time (next week?), but if anyone would like to take a stab at it themselves in the meantime, please do. However, given that The Open Door has just been released, it seems several Evanescence articles has a terrific mish-mash of material that could be better organized, but an overall revamping of these articles might be better suited for after this newness has died down. Thoughts? -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 08:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Mystery or Mystary?

Evanescence released a promo EP in January of 2003; the article is at Mystary EP, which states that it was purposely misspelled. However, in adding an album box, I added an image, and noticed that it was spelled "Mystery" on the cover. I've never actually seen a copy of the album, so I don't have any hard, canonical evidence here. What's a good way to settle this? grendel|khan 16:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, this really is a mystery (or mystary, if you prefer). I've never seen a cd cover for this EP, and my personal belief is that the one you posted is something that a fan created on his/her computer just to fill in the gap. It might have been a promo image converted for use, as the font used for "Mystery" looks tacked on after-the-fact (also looks like Courier New font, which doesn't jive with the look). As far as I know, the band stated it was an intentional misspelling, but I don't believe I've seen a cite for that either. I'd say, leave as is until something can be proven one way or the other. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 17:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

GA Hold

It's Ok a couple things need to be sourced, the first paragraph of the Christian controversy stuff, and the info on the DVD sales are the ones I say, clean that up an i'll pass it.

†he Bread 00:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. We'll work on cleaning this up. Please stop by again if you have further suggestions. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 17:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Failed

Sorry hold ran out

†he Bread 03:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Huh, didn't know there was a time limit. Might have noted something to that effect when you first came around, eh? -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 08:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

1901?

Can someone tell me what "Years active 1901-Present" is doing in the profile box? I'm not sure of the exact year, so I did not correct it.

--59.176.33.159 07:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

It says 1998 as of your posting. There was some vandalism earlier (to answer your question), but it was quickly reverted. —Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 07:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

External Links

I believe it would be appropriate to restrict official sites added to "External links" section to be English speaking sites. I say this after noticing an attempt to add an official Iranian site to the list (which actually didn't even function), and also because we have the official French site listed, which, even though it has an English version, doesn't actually convert much of the text on the site into English. Those links that refer to official sites in other languages should be properly placed on that language's entry for Evanescence. Thoughts? -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 17:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Contradictory Release Dates

The body of the article says that the album The Open Door was released the day after October 2. The chart showing release dates says September 25. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.105.126.76 (talk • contribs)

It says that it was released in the US on October 3. September 25 reflects the earliest known date, which is specified by Wikiproject Album; in this case it is the earliest known international release date. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 20:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)