Talk:Evangelical People's Party of Switzerland

Social, ethical issues

What do "social issues" and "ethical issues" mean in this context? DanKeshet 20:43, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Social issues is used here in the European or Canadian sense of Social policy not in the American one, for which the expression ethical issues is used, maybe a better term should be used instead. However, center-right is here a rather bad term anyway, because the position of the EVP/PEV on these issues is (for Swiss terms) rather conservative. --83.76.242.123 19:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Evangelical vs. protestant

Why is the article not headed as Protestant People's Party if Evangelical means evangelikal (us-american protestant fundamentalism on the Bible)??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.177.42.131 (talk) 13:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Evangelical is a false friend. If there are no further comments I will move the article. --EnOreg (talk) 08:57, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Strongly object - you may be technically correct in terms of language, but Evangelical People's Party is the translation overwhelmingly (if not exclusively) used in academic sources. So we should stick with that.--Autospark (talk) 11:46, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Not overwhelmingly. On google books, there are 33 hits for "Evangelical People's Party" +Switzerland, three of which are direct Wikipedia mirrors, vs. 27 hits for "Protestant People's Party" +Switzerland (incl. 1 Wikipedia mirror). So both terms are almost equally common in literature. In this case I would prefer the translation that is more descriptive for English-language speakers over the one that may create a misconception. --RJFF (talk) 21:19, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Please note that the French language name Parti Evangelique Suisse uses the word Evangelique, which refers to Christian evalengicalism rather than Protestanism. I would say it is best to keep the current article name with a note about alternate possible translations of the party name.--Autospark (talk) 22:30, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Don't know about the French terminology but the German name is clearly protestant, not evangelical. The EVP's heartland is the German-speaking part of the country. According to de:Evangelische Volkspartei 60%--70% of party members are mainstream protestants rather than evangelicals.

Therefore, the current lemma is misleading and needs to be improved. This can be achieved by either correcting the English translation or by using the original German name. --EnOreg (talk) 13:58, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

According to French Wikipedia, évangélique refers primarily to the Protestant tradition that originated in the 16th century Reformation (i.e. Lutheranism, Calvinism and the like; and recently to American-style Evangelicalism). fr:Églises évangéliques describes "historical" Lutheran and Calvinist churches, not evangelical ones in the American sense. --RJFF (talk) 18:03, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Further research shows that the English term evangelical is most ambiguous: evangelic. As there is no official English translation of the party name I would suggest to use the original German name as lemma followed by the current discussion of the translation in the article. --EnOreg (talk) 15:10, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Autospark and RJFF's most recent comment. The term "evangelical" is a little bit like "liberal": both have very different connotations in Europe and the United States. "Evangelical" and "Protestant" (as well as evangelisch and protestantisch in German, évangélique and protestante in French, evangélico and protestante in Spanish, evangelico and protestante in Italian, etc.) are used mostly as synonyms in Europe, differently from the United States. In German there is also evangelikal (little obscure though), while in French, Spanish and Italian the same term is used (even though some people use evangelicale in Italian). It is no surprise that the party's official names are Evangelische Volkspartei der Schweiz, Parti Évangélique Suisse, Partito Evangelico Svizzero and Partida Evangelica da la Svizra. The only reasonable translation in English is thus "Evangelical People's Party". --Checco (talk) 18:26, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate the parallel with liberal. The point remains that there is no official English translation of the party name and, therefore, no reason to use one for the lemma that is prone to be misunderstood. However, I'm fine with mentioning the translation in the article where we explain it. --EnOreg (talk) 14:18, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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