Talk:Eve Online/Archive 6

Archive 1

←

Archive 4

Archive 5

Archive 6

Archive 7

Archive 8

→

Archive 10

Failed

Without even reading the article, I'm able to fail this on grounds of being in Category:Articles with unsourced statements and for having no fair use rationale for the images. Please read WP:GA? and make sure basic problems such as these are fixed before nominating for GA.--SeizureDog 15:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you SeizureDog, I have already started actioning the items you highlighted, if anyone else has any interpretations on the success or not of a future GA please let me know. -- Richard Slater (Talk to me!) 19:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

External Links

I have been reading through Wikipedia's policy on External Links and I notice that the polices have changed recently, taking stock of the External Links section I fear that there is a huge number of links in that section that should be removed as per WP:EL. The policy suggest linking to a directory site such as DMOZ, EVE's category is here, I would suggest we make attempts at getting the links migrated across to DMOZ and remove them from the article. Alternatively, I may be misreading the policy - does anyone else have any thoughts about it? -- Richard Slater (Talk to me!) 21:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I replaced the majority of the links with a dmoz link. Hopefully I didn't remove anything important. It looked like the high quality links were already in dmoz anyhow. shotwell 00:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• Excelent, I am sure anyone who thinks something is important will add it back to the article or to DMOZ, either way I can migrate stuff from the article to DMOZ as and when it happens. Thanks. -- Richard Slater (Talk to me!) 08:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• I noticed that the link to the Eve wiki was removed and I restored it. I'm new to the game and I found the wiki very helpful in terms of information and guides. To keep the section small, I removed the link to the Chinese page. It seemed pointless to me to have an article that's written in English that's on a website that's blocked in China link to the Chinese version of a site that already has a link in the external links section.192.251.13.62 14:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

• I removed the link to EVE Wiki for the following reasons:

1. WP:EL states the following "12. Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors." - EVE Wiki whilst a great resource only appears (in its current incarnation at least) to have been around since October 2006[1]. I believe that it existed on a differing platform before that however we have no record of its stability.
2. Whilst EVE Wiki is one of the better Wiki's on the internet it is by no means the only or best, others include Grismar's Wiki, eve.wikia.com, Triangle Soloutions EVE Wiki, EVE History. By allowing one, we open the gates for allowing others to be added and we have a list of 50 EVE sites again.
3. Wikipedia is not a game guide - a website (wiki or otherwise) may well be a good resource for new players and old players alike, Wikipedia is not targeted at writing a game guide, we are trying to write a game guide.

• I will leave the link in there, as I hope that what I have outlined above explains my reasoning and someone else feels that I am correct and makes the change themselves. -- Richard Slater (Talk to me!) 17:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Merger

I notice this article still does not mention the merger with White Wolf Publishing. It seems important as it was stated in the press release that both companies would be working together on projects for Eve Online. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.204.201.206 (talk • contribs) 05:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

• The merger is not mentioned in the EVE Online article as so far any commentary on the merger affecting the game or not would be speculation. The merger was documented on both the CCP hf and the White Wolf, Inc articles when the information was released. -- Richard Slater (Talk to me!) 10:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

citation problem

Citation #24 "alliances band together to bring down capital ship production outfit" requires registration in order to read. I believe this is against wikipedia policy, and is inconvienient regardess. Harley peters 03:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• That whole paragraph in that section of the article is more than a little contentious myself and a number of editors have removed it altogether in the past, while I believe it is plausible the citations often rely on "inside knowledge". Believe it or not the reference to the news article is the best form we have. I will get in contact with CCP, and see if there is a mechanism where non-registered users can see that news item. I believe that the polices say that requiring logins should be avoided, then again it is little different from citing a scientific journal or a newspaper that would require you to subscribe to an on-line database or buy the journal/newspaper. I will have another look tonight to see if I can improve the situation. -- Richard Slater (Talk to me!) 08:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• Looking into this further WP:REF does not mention the requirement to provide references that are freely accessable, as that would prevent the use of anything that is behind a username and password (Online Newspapers, Electronic Journals, eBooks, etc.) as well as technicaly preventing usage of paper based materials (as there is often a cost associated, even if it is only the cost of printing). WP:EL does contain the following rules:

"Links to sites that require payment to view the relevant content."

"Sites that are inaccessible to a substantial number of users, such as sites that only work with a specific browser."

• This I believe may explain the confusion over this matter. In summary I see no reason why citation number 24 is against Wikipedia policy. -- Richard Slater (Talk to me!) 22:12, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

• While I agree with Rick on this one, I DO think we should attempt to find free sources for all the information that we get. If someone that feels strongly about this would like to give it the 'ole college try, I would greatly appreciate it. -Xander the Potato Vanquisher 14:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Images

CCP hf has agreed to re-licence the screen shots in this Wikipedia article as GFDL, this means that we don't run in to any fair use issues. If you want to add further screen shots to the article I would be happy to arrange this with CCP, alternativly please contact someone with a WP:OTRS account _{(Link to permission)}. -- Richard Slater (Talk to me!) 22:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Advancement (inc. Specialization and Training Time)

I have moved the Specialization and Training Time into the Advancement section as they both relate to skils specificly. The section now needs a clean up as it is bloated, contains Weasel Words and does not cite its sources. -- Richard Slater (Talk to me!) 22:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)