Talk:Evelyn Hooker

Editing needed

As the article currently stands, it's a collection of choppy sentences. Most paragraphs are just one sentence long, and it reads like a shopping list. Although there's plenty of information, it isn't yet organized properly. Is anyone interested in turning this into a real encyclopedic entry? I'll make a start with some of the sentences. Interlingua 12:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

dyke

was shes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.226.76 (talk) 08:08, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

The paragraphs on life suggest not. She was approached by Sam From to study "people like him", and was married to a man, divorced 3 years, and married to another man until his death. There is no way to know with certainty. Find a reliable reference and it can be included, though it would seem that the point of her work for which she is notable is to diminish the relevance of such a distinction. -- ke4roh (talk) 15:59, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Bias nonsense

"As homosexuality is not an illness, bias against it is irrational from a scientific point of view."

This makes no sense. 1) "Science" does not justify approval or disapproval of behavior whatsoever. 2) The sentence implies that if it was an illness, then the "scientific point of view" would judge bias against it rational! Do scientists recommend being biased against people with cancer? GeneCallahan (talk) 22:22, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Rephrased: "Her demonstration that it is not an illness undermined societal stigma against homosexuality." -- 173.95.165.108 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:38, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Enmoon89 Contribution

I've taken upon myself to add more information to Evelyn Hooker's wiki page. I think it is especially important to consider her time in Europe because that was a large contributor in how she carried her self later. Evelyn was persuaded by her experience with social rejection as a child, witnessing the effects of racial and political persecution in her travels, and discrimination in her professional life that ultimately lead to her studying those less fortunate.

The existing wiki article is lacking a lot of "substance" so I am in the process of filling in the holes.

Enmoon89 (talk) 00:45, 26 April 2014 (UTC)enmoon89Enmoon89 (talk) 00:45, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for pulling the information together! -- ke4roh (talk) 17:50, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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Referenced tests have all been criticised

Under "Projective tests study" it mentions.. "Thematic Apperception Test (TAT), the Make-a-Picture-Story test (MAPS test), and the Rorschach inkblot test". It then goes on with "The Rorschach was used due to the belief of clinicians at the time that it was the best method for diagnosing homosexuality.", thus is clear what using that test achieved (i.e. debunking "belief of clinicians").

However, given that all of these three tests have been criticised..

• "The reliability of this test has been disputed, however", Picture arrangement test
• "the limited number of psychological conditions which it accurately diagnoses, the inability to replicate the test's norms, [...] potentially invalidating the test for those who have been exposed to them", Rorschach test
• "Criticisms include that the TAT is unscientific because it cannot be proved to be valid (that it actually measures what it claims to measure), or reliable (that it gives consistent results over time).", Thematic Apperception Test

The sentence "The experiment, which other researchers subsequently repeated, found that homosexuality was not a mental disorder" thus seems not proven. What the experiment actually proved was that the "belief of clinicians" of the time was inaccurate, but it didn't prove "that homosexuality was not a mental disorder" because the tests used didn't reliably detect mental disorders. Ybllaw (talk) 11:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

It is then weird that the APA even has a dedicated page to this experiment titled "Being Gay Is Just as Healthy as Being Straight", and then the first sentence being "Evelyn Hooker's pioneering research debunked the popular myth that homosexuals are inherently less mentally healthy than heterosexuals", which this experiment didn't actually do. Ybllaw (talk) 11:02, 19 August 2024 (UTC)