Talk:Ever 17: The Out of Infinity/Archive 1

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Please see #.7B.7BIn-universe.7D.7D_tag for more information. RainCity471^{report my errors}_{list of failures} 19:41, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Concerning spoilers

{{spoiler}} Welcome to the Ever17 page. The only real rule is "No Spoilers". The story is the most important part of the game (since most of the content is in text). Therefore, please have some courtesy to the developer and to future players. The infobox is the CVG template, for lack of an infobox template specifically designed for visual novel games. Cheers. -- nephilim 04:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

After thinking it over some more, some little things about the characters could be spoiled... say, that Sora is an RSD image, but nothing along the lines of Kid's name. pretty much, restrict as much information about the characters as possible. --nephilim 21:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Everything can and should be spoiled, because an enciclopedia is supposed to cover stuff in depth. Having a spoiler warning is more than enough; people who don't want to be spoiled will just follow the warning.-- Roc Vallès^Talk|Hist - 10:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm planning on writing a few paragraphs explaining the backstory - nothing too "crufty", just something that would enable people who haven't played the game to understand what people that have played are talking about. I'll probably start in a day or two. It will probably be a sub-section of "plot", marked off with spoiler tags. --Mercercounty 01:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Can someone comment on my summary? I tried to cover only the basics of how the characters relate to each other with a minimum of specifics. It should be useful both for someone who doesn't want to play the game to get a general idea of what the story is like and for someone who just played it to "compare notes". --Mercercounty 04:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Just read this page for the first time, and I think the spoilers in the "detail" section go too far. Just saying that the two scenarios are 17 years apart is a major plot point and this is in the first line, thus easily read even by people who don't want to read the spoiler section. This game is easily ruined by revealing the plot too early, and anyone seeing this would essentially have their game play ruined. Being thorough is good but does the article need such a... complete spoiler section? Could it be made smaller or moved off into a seperate article? 194.80.32.8 16:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

There are spoiler warnings. Obviously, Ever17 is a bit different from most games, in that spoiling it beforehand would greatly reduce your enjoyment of it, but the warnings are there. Perhaps some sort of warning in the article's text would be appropriate as well, though. Moogy ^(talk) 19:09, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I think someone removed the spoiler warnings on this page, and I think that the plot section gives to much detail in the story of the game. 11:34, November 26 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.200.127.98 (talk) 17:34, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I took the "plot details" section out completely. The short summary and character listing are enough to get an idea of what the game is about, and you can't really add anything beyond that without spoiling things. Mystery is extremely important to the story in this game. Kapow (talk) 07:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

For love of the god, don't remove spoilers. It's the wiki, not advertisement page. I have finished the game like two years ago and I was searching for Hokuto name and I couldn't find it, all because you removed the spoilers (which fortunately were in the comments.). So, PLEASE, as this is encyclopedia, don't REMOVE them. --88.212.18.166 (talk) 23:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Although I'm not sure I agree, WP policy is currently pro-spoiler. I do agree with some comments on the spoiler talk page that say that good writing can minimize the downside of including spoilers. With that in mind, I added a sentence to the beginning of the "Plot details" section. The way it stood before, the first sentence of the section was a major ending spoiler. A plot summary shouldn't lead by giving away a big part of the ending, there should be a little more transition.Rdodger (talk) 02:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia no longer has spoiler warnings...and as it stands now, people are very likely to accidentally encounter major spoilers just reading the article. I also don't think it's necessary to list every spoiler (Pipi actually being a robot dog isn't very notable, but it's a spoiler (not revealed until the end of the Coco path) - it's probably better not to mention that). Also, spoilers should be moved to places where one can actually EXPECT spoilers. Just reading the usually spoilerless character profiles and seeing You's name as Yubisei'aki'kana is quite a spoiler (again, not revealed until Coco path). VDZ (talk) 18:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Future edits

Oh geez, I'll let the updates go until Saturday, July 15, 2006, then I'm gonna go through it all for consistency and style. Thanks for the contributions. --nephilim 13:23, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm all for making the article more consistent, but as for the "style", keep it within wikipedia standards and don't stray far from that. 十八 05:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

You's name

{{spoiler}} Yes, there are decent spoilers below. I recommend not reading if you haven't finished Coco's path. {{spoiler}} Is there a reason Youbiseiharukana Tanaka is listed rather than just You Tanaka, given that one of them is Youbiseiakikana Tanaka? I think there might also be an issue with "She is also initially quite distrustful of the rest of the group." for Tsugumi, since, unless I'm remembering incorrectly, this only happens in 2034. --Mercercounty 02:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Probably because that's how it is in the playing manual.--Mikeats 17:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm. Would you object if I changed it to You Tanaka? It's more correct and doesn't spoil anything. I'd need the Japanese character though - would it just be one of the kana for Yu, or is it more complicated? --Mercercounty 06:09, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

You's CV

According to the opening and ending, You's voice is done by Noriko Shimoya, not Noriko Shitaya. Are these different people, is one a pseudonym, or is one a typo? --Mercercounty 15:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Noriko Shitaya is correct. Shimoya is an alternate way of reading 下屋 - whoever did the translation must've read it wrong.--Mikeats 16:49, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Same universe?

I can't find any info on Memories Off being in the same universe as Ever17. Can someone post a link? Or better yet, put in a reference?--Mikeats 17:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I added a "citation needed" tag. --Mercercounty 04:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not solid evidence, but when asked for a name, Kid may suggest a name from a list, a few of them being the names of main characters in Memories Off. The timeline at the end included the events of Never7, which had more references to Memories Off.Roanhammer 22:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Takeshi's and Kid's CVs

{{spoiler}} Is it really a spoiler that they're both played by the same person? Certainly there can be two unrelated characters that are played by the same person, simply because that person has a talented voice? And actually here it's three different people all being played by one. It doesn't seem to be so much a spoiler as a hint at a possible spoiler - but I won't remove the spoiler tag, since Mikeats thinks it is enough for the tag. --Mercercounty 06:09, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Plot details

The plot details section is almost incomprehensible and this is coming from someone who has completed the Coco ending. Any chance someone can rewrite the section or simplify it and remove most of it? I'd do it but it has been 3 years since I beat the game and I don't remember that much to be honest. The plot gets pretty complicated. 76.254.10.169 (talk) 07:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I felt that removing the whole thing was rather appropriate, which is what I did. Even glancing at that section would have given the reader spoilers that would have ruined a good amount of the game, and I do not think that Wikipedia is a place for that. Maybe a section for themes, but a full plot run down ruins the content for people exploring, and has little bearing on making this article a better one. Stallout (talk) 00:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The plot of a story is a critical component of the story. Wikipedia provides articles to educate the user about an item in question, spoilers are unavoidable. --Remy Suen (talk) 17:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

"However, when including spoilers, editors should make sure that an encyclopedic purpose is being served. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information — articles on a work of fiction should primarily describe it from a real-world perspective, discussing its reception, impact and significance." Even if the spoilers have to stay, just look at that section. It's almost unreadable, and has no bearing on reception, impact, or significance in the real world perspective. It is just an 'indiscriminate collection of information'. There is no encyclopedic merit in said section.Stallout (talk) 21:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I do not disagree that it is difficult to read. If you have ideas for trimming it down or rewriting per the original request of the anonymous IP, I encourage you to be be bold and edit away. I am however against its complete removal. With regards to "reception, impact, or significance in the real world perspective", I am of the opinion that it is speaking about the article as a whole. It is indeed missing a 'Reception' section that several other visual novel articles possess. If you ask me what is the encyclopedic merit of that section, I will respond that the merit is in that it describes the story of the game (although it may be potentially confusing). Like how articles about fictional films includes a synopsis of the film's plot, an article about a game with a fictional plot should be no different and subsequently handled in the same way. --Remy Suen (talk) 21:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

What would be an appropriate mix? I think making a new section for the discussion of the ending would be at least a little concession to the spoiler content, as it stands it flows very abruptly into the discussion of the plot rundown (rather than having it as a subsection of the 'Plot' section). I've started to work on cleaning the section, but I'm thinking of trimming out some of the details, as everything doesn't *need* to be stated, but leaving the important thematic discussions. I'll post what I have in a bit, this is my first Wiki endeavor, so if you could give some criticism when I post it, it will be appreciated.Stallout (talk) 01:39, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

There, posted what I thought was appropriate change. I actually left in most all of the details, I just rewrote parts of the former section and moved it down to the new 'True Ending' section. I figure that is about as much of a spoiler nod as you can give, while still being on topic. I also (think) that I improved the section's readability greatly, and hopefully it is easier to understand. I also thought that the previous time headers were unnecessary, seeing as the plot bounces around so much between the two. Let me know/feel free to change what you see fit! Stallout (talk) 16:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, Stallout. I have re-added some of the original citations but haven't really touched anything else otherwise. --Remy Suen (talk) 21:09, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Spoilers

One thing i hate about wikipedia is that it blatantly presents plot spoilers without any warning. Anyway this article pretty much ruined the game for me so pls can someone take some of the spoilers out our at least put a spoiler warning in? --Hoerth (talk) 15:18, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

{{In-universe}} tag

Hi everyone, I'm afraid I've had to abandon copyediting. As the article is written from an in-universe perspective, it makes copyediting hard. The article needs to be re-written from an out-of-universe perspective first. Once that's been done, I'll be more than happy to copyedit. Sorry, RainCity471^{report my errors}_{list of failures} 19:38, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ever 17: The Out of Infinity/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 13:08, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

I'll have this to you soon. JAGUAR  13:08, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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I've just read through the article and can hardly believe I'm doing this, but I'm giving this an instant pass. If anyone is frowning on this please bear in mind that in my 380 reviews, I've only done this twice. This article is well written, comprehensive and I couldn't find anything wrong with it. Well done! JAGUAR  22:07, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Whoa, that's awesome. Thank you!--IDV^talk 22:14, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

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